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From: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Wang, Yalin" <Yalin.Wang@sonymobile.com>,
	"viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Gao, Neil" <Neil.Gao@sonymobile.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC V2] test_bit before clear files_struct bits
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 00:46:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150210224601.GA6170@node.dhcp.inet.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzLgPZoLKRK5rPk8hpCS=Y8CNh59K_tzEZEVKpt1VyBWg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:49:46PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Andrew Morton
> <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > The patch is good but I'm still wondering if any CPUs can do this
> > speedup for us.  The CPU has to pull in the target word to modify the
> > bit and what it *could* do is to avoid dirtying the cacheline if it
> > sees that the bit is already in the desired state.
> 
> Sadly, no CPU I know of actually does this.  Probably because it would
> take a bit more core resources, and conditional writes to memory are
> not normally part of an x86 core (it might be more natural for
> something like old-style ARM that has conditional writes).
> 
> Also, even if the store were to be conditional, the cacheline would
> have been acquired in exclusive state, and in many cache protocols the
> state machine is from exclusive to dirty (since normally the only
> reason to get a cacheline for exclusive use is in order to write to
> it). So a "read, test, conditional write" ends up actually being more
> complicated than you'd think - because you *want* that
> exclusive->dirty state for the case where you really are going to
> change the bit, and to avoid extra cache protocol stages you don't
> generally want to read the cacheline into a shared read mode first
> (only to then have to turn it into exclusive/dirty as a second state)

That all sounds resonable.

But I still fail to understand why my micro-benchmark is faster with
branch before store comparing to plain store.

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.cross-arch/26254

In this case we would not have intermidiate shared state, because we don't
have anybody else to share cache line with. So with branch we would have
the smae E->M and write-back to memory as without branch. But it doesn't
explain why branch makes code faster.

Any ideas?

-- 
 Kirill A. Shutemov

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-10 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-10  7:06 [RFC] test_bit before clear files_struct bits Wang, Yalin
2015-02-10  7:11 ` [RFC V2] " Wang, Yalin
2015-02-10 20:22   ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-10 20:49     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-02-10 22:46       ` Kirill A. Shutemov [this message]
2015-02-10 23:29         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-02-15  8:27   ` [RFC V3] test bit " Wang, Yalin
2015-02-18 21:27     ` Andrew Morton

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