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From: Jiri Bohac <jbohac@suse.cz>
To: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Prarit Bhargava <prarit@redhat.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] time, ntp: Do not update time_state in middle of leap second [v3]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:14:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150218171404.GA31353@midget.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALAqxLU5iKW_VS-ukULUGwaPj3ZgHUUHyyQt_fKHat__K6NO1w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 03:16:18PM -0800, John Stultz wrote:
> Ok, thanks for the more verbose explanation. Although this is more a
> history of what you've seen rather then the crux of the change.
> 
> To distill this down just a bit, the point is the usual mode for NTP
> time_state machine looks like:
> 
> TIME_OK -> TIME_INS -> TIME_OOP
>   |                       |
>   v                       v
> TIME_DEL ------------> TIME_WAIT  -(back)-> TIME_OK
> 
> (hopefully the ascii art survives here)
> 
> Now, from any of these states, currently if adjtimex is called w/ the
> STA_PLL bit cleared (after STA_PLL was set), we reset back to TIME_OK,
> effectively cancelling any transitions. (You'll have to imagine a line
> from any of the states back to TIME_OK, since that's going to be too
> ugly to do in ascii)
> 
> Your patch is trying to remove the line back from TIME_OOP back to
> TIME_OK. Basically stopping the ability to reset the ntp state during
> a leapsecond.
> 
> I do get that the behavior seen was strange due to a bug in the test
> code which caused unexpected cancellation of state, but I'm not sure
> if we should change the behavior to enforce that cancellation not be
> possible. I could imagine some logic which really wants to reset the
> state, which just by chance lands during a leap second, and the
> application is confused since the state change didn't occur as
> expected.
> 
> So I guess I'm not seeing that the state machine is actually "broken"
> in this case that you've outlined.  If you can articulate better why
> the OOP -> OK transition is truly invalid, I'd be interested in
> hearing, but I'm not sure I want to risk a behavioral change unless
> there's wide agreement.

I think the only real problem occurs when the adjtimex is called in the
the TIME_OOP state with STA_PLL cleared _and_ STA_INS set.
In this case the state machine is reset to TIME_OK but goes back
to TIME_INS on the next second_overflow, potentially causing
another false leap second to be inserted on the following
midnight.

The state machine is meant to only go back to TIME_INS once STA_INS is
cleared and then set again - this is what the TIME_WAIT state is
for.

In fact, I don't see a reason why the STA_PLL -> !STA_PLL transition should 
ever set the time_state to TIME_OK.
- When the STA_INS/STA_DEL flag is removed from the status, the state
  machine will end up in TIME_OK from any state.
- When STA_INS/STA_DEL is set in
  the status, the state mchine will transition from TIME_OK to
  TIME_INS/TIME_DEL anyway.

I think the "time_status = TIME_OK" should be just dropped.

It has been added by eea83d896e318bda54be2d2770d2c5d6668d11db
(ntp: NTP4 user space bits update) and it's not clear why.
Roman?


-- 
Jiri Bohac <jbohac@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, SUSE CZ


  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-18 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-12 13:58 [PATCH] time, ntp: Do not update time_state in middle of leap second [v3] Prarit Bhargava
2015-02-17 23:16 ` John Stultz
2015-02-18 17:14   ` Jiri Bohac [this message]
2015-02-18 17:38     ` Jiri Bohac
2015-02-20 14:12   ` Prarit Bhargava
2015-02-19 17:00 ` Jiri Bohac
2015-02-20 14:15   ` Prarit Bhargava
2015-02-20 17:19     ` Jiri Bohac

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