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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Aaron Jones <aaronmdjones@gmail.com>, "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Andrew G. Morgan" <morgan@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [capabilities] Allow normal inheritance for a configurable set of capabilities
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 23:47:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150227224709.GB17650@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVXj=dwKGrMfAL1xnD-KgLEe_R9-iCjDQR-W0j5jOyF-g@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri 2015-02-27 12:56:41, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> > On Fri 2015-02-27 12:15:15, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> >> > On Wed 2015-02-25 17:59:04, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Pavel Machek wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > One solution is to put capabilities into the elf executable. I believe
> >> >> > there was patch for that. That means you don't need to add capability
> >> >> > support into filesystems...
> >> >>
> >> >> Ummm... So I can just get any caps by modifying the ELF header?
> >> >> Looking at the docs No, it just drops caps so binaries must be
> >> >> setsuid.
> >> >
> >> > exactly. Normal apps are not currently allowed to receive
> >> > capabilities, because they may not be ready for them.
> >> >
> >> > So add an elf note marking what capabilities it can deal with.
> >> > No need for setuid if caller has the capabilities already.
> >>
> >> We'd need extremely broad coverage for this to be useful because of
> >> shells, pipelines, scripts, etc.  We'd need bash, env, python, etc.
> >
> > Well.. capabilities for scripts will be "fun" even when you have
> > proper filesystem support. I'd say that is separate problem... (and
> > yes, it would have to be solved.)
> 
> To me, however, the whole point of this thread is that you shouldn't
> need filesystem support at all.  If I have CAP_WHATEVER, I tell the
> kernel that I want my children to have CAP_WHATEVER in their permitted
> and effective sets, and I don't try to run a setuid or fP != 0
> program, then it should just work.
> 
> The insertion of scripts in the way shouldn't matter.

Right, and I wish you luck. But this arguments were here before, and I
believe Linux is not going that way.

elfcap is compromise solution, that should achieve what you want to do
for executables.

Full filesystem support for capabilities is a solution, too, but it
needs support in things like cpio...

Best regards,
									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-27 22:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-02 16:21 [capabilities] Allow normal inheritance for a configurable set of capabilities Christoph Lameter
2015-02-02 17:12 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-02 17:18   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-02 18:09     ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-03 15:16     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 15:23   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 15:55     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 17:18       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 17:26         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 15:15           ` Andrew G. Morgan
2015-02-04 15:50             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 15:56               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 16:12                 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2015-02-04 16:34                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04 16:54                     ` Andrew G. Morgan
2015-02-04 17:34                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-04 18:12                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 16:43                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 16:27                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-05  0:34             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-05 15:23               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-25 21:50     ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-25 23:59       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-26 12:27         ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-27 20:15           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-27 20:48             ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-27 20:56               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-27 22:47                 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2015-02-02 17:54 ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-02 18:08   ` Serge Hallyn
2015-02-02 18:47     ` Mimi Zohar
2015-02-02 19:05       ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-02-02 20:35         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 16:04       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-02 19:00     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-05  0:20       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-02 20:37     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-02 20:54       ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 15:51         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 16:37           ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 17:28             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 17:50               ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 19:45                 ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 20:13                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-03 23:14                     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 23:17                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-02-04  2:27                         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04  6:05                         ` Markku Savela
2015-02-04 13:17                           ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-04 13:41                             ` Markku Savela
2015-02-04 14:56                               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2015-02-03 15:17       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 15:40         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-02-03 15:46       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-03 17:19         ` Christoph Lameter
2015-02-03 17:29           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-02-25 21:50     ` Pavel Machek

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