From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjanvandeven@gmail.com>,
Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.com>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Seth Jennings <sjenning@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
live-patching@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: live kernel upgrades (was: live kernel patching design)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2015 01:51:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150305005135.GA21251@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54EC6E80.3040209@suse.cz>
* Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz> wrote:
> On 02/24/2015, 10:16 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> > and we don't design the Linux kernel for weird, extreme cases, we
> > design for the common, sane case that has the broadest appeal, and
> > we hope that the feature garners enough interest to be
> > maintainable.
>
> Hello,
>
> oh, so why do we have NR_CPUS up to 8192, then? [...]
Because:
- More CPUs is not some weird dead end, but a natural direction of
hardware development.
- Furthermore, we've gained a lot of scalability and other
improvements all around the kernel just by virtue of big iron
running into those problems first.
- In the typical case there's no friction between 8192 CPUs and the
kernel's design. Where there was friction (and it happened), we
pushed back.
Such benefits add up and 8K CPUs support is a success story today.
That positive, symbiotic, multi-discipline relationship between 8K
CPUs support design goals and 'regular Linux' design goals stands in
stark contrast with the single-issue approach that live kernel
patching is designing itself into a dead end so early on ...
Thanks,
Ingo
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2015-02-16 18:52 [PATCH 0/3] prevent /proc/<pid>/stack garbage for running tasks Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-16 18:52 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched: add sched_task_call() Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-16 20:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-16 22:05 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-17 9:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 14:12 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-17 18:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 21:25 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-18 15:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-18 17:12 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-19 0:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-19 4:17 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-19 10:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-19 16:24 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-19 16:33 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2015-02-19 17:03 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-19 17:08 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-19 17:19 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2015-02-19 17:32 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-19 17:48 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2015-02-19 20:40 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2015-02-19 21:42 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-20 7:46 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-20 8:49 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-20 9:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-20 10:02 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-20 10:44 ` live patching design (was: Re: [PATCH 1/3] sched: add sched_task_call()) Ingo Molnar
2015-02-20 10:58 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-20 19:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-20 21:46 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2015-02-20 22:08 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-21 18:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-22 8:52 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-22 10:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-22 19:18 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-23 12:43 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-24 10:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-21 18:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-21 18:57 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-21 19:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-21 19:31 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-21 19:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-21 20:10 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-21 20:53 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-22 8:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-22 9:08 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-22 9:46 ` live kernel upgrades (was: live kernel patching design) Ingo Molnar
2015-02-22 10:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-22 10:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-22 19:13 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-22 23:01 ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-23 0:18 ` Dave Airlie
2015-02-23 0:44 ` Arjan van de Ven
2015-02-23 8:17 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-23 10:42 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-02-23 11:08 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2015-02-23 11:50 ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-24 9:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-24 12:28 ` Jiri Slaby
2015-03-05 0:51 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-02-23 6:35 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2015-02-24 9:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-24 12:12 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2015-02-24 10:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-24 12:19 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2015-02-22 14:37 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-22 16:40 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-22 19:03 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-24 10:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-24 11:10 ` Petr Mladek
2015-02-24 12:36 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2015-02-23 11:39 ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-24 10:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-24 12:11 ` Jiri Slaby
2015-02-24 13:18 ` live kernel upgrades Pavel Emelyanov
2015-02-20 16:12 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched: add sched_task_call() Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-20 20:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-02-20 21:22 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-20 17:05 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-19 21:26 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-19 21:38 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-19 23:11 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-16 18:52 ` [PATCH 2/3] stacktrace: add save_stack_trace_tsk_safe() Josh Poimboeuf
2015-02-18 0:13 ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-20 9:32 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-02-16 18:52 ` [PATCH 3/3] proc: fix /proc/<pid>/stack for running tasks Josh Poimboeuf
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