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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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	Wim Van Sebroeck <wim@iguana.be>,
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	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@atmel.com>,
	Jean-Christophe Plagniol-Villard <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@free-electrons.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] watchdog: at91sam9: request the irq with IRQF_NO_SUSPEND
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2015 10:12:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150307091204.GM23367@worktop.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150306110618.GC8700@leverpostej>

On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 11:06:18AM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> [...]
> 
> > > The request_irq path never results in a call to chip->irq_set_wake(),
> > > even with the IRQF_NO_SUSPEND flag. So requesting an irq with
> > > IRQF_NO_SUSPEND does not guarantee wakeup; it only guarantees that the
> > > CPU can take the interrupt _around_ the suspended state, not necessarily
> > > while _in_ the suspended state.
> > 
> > Right.  "Suspended state" meaning full suspend here I suppose?
> 
> Yes; any state deeper than suspend-to-idle.

I don't think we should want to make such distinction; we should treat
all suspend states the same.

Drivers should not want to rely on the fact that one state
(suspend-to-idle) might maybe deal with interrupts while other states do
not.

> > > We seem to be conflating some related properties:
> > > 
> > > [a] The IRQ will be left unmasked.
> > > [b] The IRQ will be handled immediately when taken.
> > > [c] The IRQ will wake the system from suspend.
> > > 
> > > Requesting an IRQ with IRQF_NO_SUSPEND guarantees [a,b], but does not
> > > guarantee [c].
> > 
> > That's correct.  IRQF_NO_SUSPEND does not guarantee that interrupts from
> > that IRQ will have any effect after arch_suspend_disable_irqs() in
> > suspend_enter().
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > It sounds like for this kind of watchdog device we want [a,b,c], even if
> > > the IRQ is not shared with an IRQF_NO_SUSPEND user.
> > 
> > We can't guarantee that, though.  arch_suspend_disable_irqs() disables
> > interrupts on the last working CPU and it won't get any.  It may be
> > brought out of a low-power state by a pending interrupt, but it won't act
> > upon that interrupt immediately anyway, only after the arch_suspend_enable_irqs()
> > in suspend_enter().
> 
> Ok, so [b] needs the caveat that it's only handled "immediately" outside
> of the arch_suspend_disable_irqs() ... arch_suspend_enable_irqs()
> section.
> 
> > But then it might as well be deferred until after
> > resume_device_irqs().
> 
> That was my original line of thinking, in which case the watchdog driver
> should use IRQF_COND_SUSPEND rather than IRQF_NO_SUSPEND, with
> enable_irq_wake() if we care about the watchdog during suspend. I'm
> happy with this.

Note that COND_SUSPEND must have SHARED set.

> Considering that the use-case of a watchdog is to alert us to something
> going hideously wrong in the kernel, we want to handle the IRQ after
> executing the smallest amount of kernel code possible. For that, they
> need to have their handlers to be called "immediately" outside of the
> arch_suspend_disable_irqs() ... arch_suspend_enable_irqs() window, and
> need to be enabled during suspend to attempt to catch bad wakeup device
> configuration.
> 
> I think it's possible (assuming the caveats on [b] above) to provide
> [a,b,c] for this case.

While I appreciate the use-case; we should be careful not to make of
mess of things either.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-07  9:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-02  9:18 [PATCH v2 0/6] ARM: at91: fix irq_pm_install_action WARNING Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] PM / wakeup: export pm_system_wakeup symbol Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] rtc: at91sam9: rework wakeup and interrupt handling Boris Brezillon
2015-03-04 18:23   ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-02  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] rtc: at91rm9200: " Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] clk: at91: implement suspend/resume for the PMC irqchip Boris Brezillon
2015-03-09 22:34   ` Mike Turquette
2015-03-02  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] watchdog: at91sam9: request the irq with IRQF_NO_SUSPEND Boris Brezillon
2015-03-02 14:10   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-03-04 18:38   ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-04 21:41     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-05 10:57       ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 15:10         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-05 16:32           ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-06  0:29             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-06 11:06               ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-06 12:39                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-06 13:10                   ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-07  9:12                 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-03-07  9:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-05  8:53     ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05 10:53       ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-05 11:17         ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05 11:31           ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-05 11:53           ` Mark Rutland
2015-03-07  9:18             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-07 10:20               ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-07 10:39                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-07 10:59                   ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-07 11:06                   ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-07 11:29                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-07 11:46                       ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-03-08  1:12                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-09  7:55                         ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-09 14:30                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-10 21:33                             ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-10 22:31                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-10 22:33                                 ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-11  1:03                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-11  7:33                                     ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-08  1:11                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-11  8:38                       ` Boris Brezillon
2015-03-11 11:17                         ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-03-02  9:18 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] tty: serial: atmel: rework interrupt and wakeup handling Boris Brezillon
2015-03-03  8:56 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] ARM: at91: fix irq_pm_install_action WARNING Alexandre Belloni
2015-03-03 15:35 ` Nicolas Ferre
2015-03-04  1:43   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-03-04 18:43 ` Mark Rutland

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