From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Mark Seaborn <mseaborn@chromium.org>,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: DRAM unreliable under specific access patern
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 22:17:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150309211751.GA3991@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVpNdkVH9wFrQbEdZFSP=oBbppBAp=vYdwnh2fycZwJ7g@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon 2015-03-09 09:30:50, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Mark Seaborn <mseaborn@chromium.org> wrote:
> > On 6 January 2015 at 15:20, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> >> On Mon 2015-01-05 19:23:29, One Thousand Gnomes wrote:
> >> > > In the meantime, I created test that actually uses physical memory,
> >> > > 8MB apart, as described in some footnote. It is attached. It should
> >> > > work, but it needs boot with specific config options and specific
> >> > > kernel parameters.
> >> >
> >> > Why not just use hugepages. You know the alignment guarantees for 1GB
> >> > pages and that means you don't even need to be root
> >> >
> >> > In fact - should we be disabling 1GB huge page support by default at this
> >> > point, at least on non ECC boxes ?
> >>
> >> Actually, I could not get my test code to run; and as code from
> >>
> >> https://github.com/mseaborn/rowhammer-test
> >>
> >> reproduces issue for me, I stopped trying. I could not get it to
> >> damage memory of other process than itself (but that should be
> >> possible), I guess that's next thing to try.
> >
> > FYI, rowhammer-induced bit flips do turn out to be exploitable. Here
> > are the results of my research on this:
> > http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2015/03/exploiting-dram-rowhammer-bug-to-gain.html
> >
>
> IIRC non-temporal writes will force cachelines out to main memory
> *and* invalidate them. (I wouldn't be shocked if Skylake changes
> this, but I'm reasonably confident that it's true on all currently
> available Intel chips.)
>
> Have you checked whether read; read; nt store; nt store works?
>
> (I can't test myself easily right now -- I think my laptop is too old
> for this issue.)
Well, if you had laptop with that issue, it would still be tricky to
test this. It takes a while to reproduce...
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-03-09 21:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <CAL82V5NN8U4PyiSjLxgpTrgsgkbM7rRCbVF5P-HHyEqphLOy+g@mail.gmail.com>
2014-12-24 22:08 ` DRAM unreliable under specific access patern Pavel Machek
2015-01-05 19:23 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-05 19:50 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-06 1:47 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-06 1:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-06 2:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-01-06 2:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-08 13:03 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-08 16:52 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 15:50 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-01-09 16:31 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-06 23:20 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-09 16:03 ` Mark Seaborn
2015-03-09 16:30 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-09 21:17 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2015-03-09 21:37 ` Mark Seaborn
2015-03-10 11:33 ` DRAM bug exploitable on 50% machines without ECC (was Re: DRAM unreliable under specific access patern) Pavel Machek
2014-12-24 22:27 ` DRAM unreliable under specific access patern Pavel Machek
2014-12-24 23:41 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <CAE2SPAa-tBFk0gnOhEZiriQA7bv6MmL9HGqAMSceUKKqujBDPQ@mail.gmail.com>
2014-12-25 9:23 ` Pavel Machek
2014-12-28 22:48 ` Mark Seaborn
2014-12-24 16:38 Pavel Machek
2014-12-24 16:46 ` Pavel Machek
2014-12-24 17:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-24 17:25 ` Pavel Machek
2014-12-24 17:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-24 17:50 ` Pavel Machek
2014-12-29 12:13 ` Jiri Kosina
2014-12-29 17:09 ` Pavel Machek
2014-12-28 9:18 ` Willy Tarreau
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