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From: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Mack <daniel@zonque.org>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:37:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150415083714.GD16381@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1504142357590.26287@pobox.suse.cz>

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 12:05:01AM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2015, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> 
> > I believe that Linux Plumbers is still accepting MicroConferences. I 
> > wonder if this would be a good one to have. Try to get everyone face to 
> > face and talk about how exactly kdbus should be implemented in the 
> > kernel.
> 
> I personally would even put more emphasis on a session that would first 
> focus on "why", before we look at "how".
> 
> I have already asked about this during the earlier RFC submissions, but 
> the only "take-home message" I took from that discussion was "because it's 
> faster than what we currently have". I don't find that a sufficient 
> justification by itself for something so complex (with potential 
> implications all over the place for the whole Linux ecosystem), especially 
> given the fact we already have sealed memfds zerocopy etc (and I am not 
> even talking about the "infinite set-in-stone userspace API" implications 
> this has).

I wrote many many lines of "why" in the patch submissions, and in the
first email in this thread.  Are any of those specific solutions and
"why" reasons not correct in your opinion?  If so, great, please let me
know.

But to say that no one is focusing on "why" is a slight to those of us
who have been providing just that.

thanks,

greg k-h

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-15  8:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 360+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-13 19:03 [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-13 19:42   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:49     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 19:54       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:57         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 20:03           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 20:08             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 20:22     ` Al Viro
2015-04-13 20:37       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  1:36       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15  6:54         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  7:31           ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15 14:48             ` Michal Schmidt
2015-04-15 15:34               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15 16:42               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-17 16:53               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15  8:48           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:00             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:20               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:21                 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  9:27                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:30                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:49                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:53                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:44                     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 11:40                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 13:03                         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 15:41                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 16:40                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 16:48                             ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 17:33                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:06                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-16  8:43                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 17:20                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 17:41                               ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 17:55                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 21:55                                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 18:12                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 19:04                         ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  9:28                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15 11:25             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 13:20               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 15:45               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 15:46                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 16:35                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 17:06                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 17:31                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:04                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 21:56                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 22:11                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:18                           ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 22:28                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:48                               ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 22:54                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 23:27                                   ` Al Viro
2015-04-16  0:47                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16  1:04                                       ` Al Viro
2015-04-16  5:53                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:56                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 10:31                           ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-16 12:02                             ` Tom Gundersen
2015-04-16 12:15                               ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-16 12:43                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-21 16:36                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-21 19:38                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2015-04-21 19:55                                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-15  8:18         ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  8:32           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:52             ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  9:02               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:28                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15 11:52                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:29         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14  0:19   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-14  0:34     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 17:55     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 21:06       ` Issues with capability bits and meta-data in kdbus Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-22  1:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-22  1:54           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22  2:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-22  3:19               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22 13:46                 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-22 11:40               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-22 13:07                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-22 14:05                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-22 13:27                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 14:35                   ` Michele Curti
2015-04-22 20:02                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 21:48                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23  5:35                         ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-24 14:32                         ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 14:39                           ` Michele Curti
2015-04-24 15:02                             ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 15:14                               ` Michele Curti
2015-04-24 14:41                           ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-24 15:04                             ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 17:52                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-24 18:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23  8:38                       ` Michele Curti
2015-04-22 10:45           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-22 11:41           ` David Herrmann
2015-04-22  8:58   ` [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23 19:14     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 20:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23 21:22         ` David Herrmann
2015-04-23 21:33           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-24 14:02             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-23 21:41           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24  5:02             ` Steven Noonan
2015-04-24  9:04               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24 10:28                 ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-24 10:50                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24 11:26                     ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-24  6:36         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  6:45           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  7:27             ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-24  8:35             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 20:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-13 20:45   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 21:01     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 17:50       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 18:57         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 19:23           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:24             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-14 19:32               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:40                 ` Al Viro
2015-04-14 19:48                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:53                     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  8:44                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:54                         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  9:09                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:36                             ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 13:13                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 16:47                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15  9:35                         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 11:45                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 20:11                     ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-14 22:39                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  8:38                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 10:37                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 11:49                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:03                           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 12:41                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 14:06                               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 16:27                                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 12:55                           ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 17:33                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 18:11                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:35             ` Al Viro
2015-04-14 19:43               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 17:59                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-15 18:04                   ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-15 22:22                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-16 16:02                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-16 17:31                       ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 20:55                         ` Al Viro
2015-04-18 11:44                           ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 16:37                     ` Robert Schwebel
2015-04-17 13:45                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 16:54                   ` Diego Viola
2015-04-21 17:06                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 17:25                       ` Diego Viola
2015-04-14 20:14             ` John Stoffel
2015-04-14 21:51               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-14 22:05                 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  6:56                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  8:37                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman [this message]
2015-04-15 18:12                     ` James Bottomley
2015-04-16 12:13                       ` David Herrmann
2015-04-17 19:27                         ` James Bottomley
2015-04-17 20:27                           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-17 21:45                             ` Alex Elsayed
2015-04-20 18:01                             ` James Bottomley
2015-04-21  8:09                               ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-21 18:25                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15  8:35               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:00           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:09             ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 12:18               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 12:30                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:27               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 22:33         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  8:56           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 11:06             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 16:00               ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-15 16:44                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 18:16                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 18:40                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 20:22                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 20:41                     ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 21:07                     ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-16 18:03                       ` Djalal Harouni
2015-04-15 21:58                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-16 13:13                     ` Tom Gundersen
2015-04-16 14:34                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 15:01                         ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 17:04                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-17  9:19                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-17 18:54                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-20 12:43                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-20 20:03                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 19:01                       ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-17 13:23                         ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-17 14:54                           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 22:08                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-16 13:14                     ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-16 17:15                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-23 13:05 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 13:06   ` [PATCH] kdbus: pool: use __vfs_read() Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 14:17   ` [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-23 16:36   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 16:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 17:16       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 17:34         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 17:42         ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-23 19:30           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  2:08             ` Karol Lewandowski
2015-04-29 21:16               ` Paul Moore
2015-04-23 17:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:04           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:56             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 19:22               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 19:33                 ` Greg KH
2015-04-23 20:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 20:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-24 13:50         ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-24 14:19           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-24 14:34             ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-24 19:25               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-27  8:57                 ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-27 17:18                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-27 22:29                   ` David Lang
2015-04-28 10:53                     ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-27 21:32           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-27 21:40             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-27 22:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-27 22:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-28 13:44                   ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 14:48                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 17:18                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-28 20:25                         ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 23:12                           ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29  0:45                             ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-29 11:33                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 12:47                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 13:33                               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 13:38                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 13:46                                   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:01                                     ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:04                                       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:11                                         ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:18                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:53                                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:58                                               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 15:03                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-29 15:21                                                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-30  9:05                                                   ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30  9:12                                                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 10:19                                                       ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 10:40                                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 12:16                                                           ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 12:23                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 12:40                                                               ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 12:45                                                                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 14:52                                                                   ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 15:05                                                                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-07-03  9:13                                                                     ` cee1
2015-04-29 16:25                                                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 14:46                                           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 14:51                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 15:07                                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 15:17                                               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 15:22                                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 15:41                                                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 18:28                                                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 16:26                                   ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 17:39                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-29 19:10                                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 19:28                                       ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 22:49                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-30  0:05                                       ` David Lang
2015-04-30  0:15                                         ` Dave Airlie
2015-04-30  0:18                                           ` David Lang
2015-04-30  1:20                                             ` Dave Airlie
2015-04-29 13:35                               ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-29 15:18                                 ` Simon McVittie
2015-04-29 17:48                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-29 15:27                               ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 16:36                                 ` David Lang
2015-04-29 18:54                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 19:30                                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 19:42                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 20:15                                     ` David Lang
2015-04-29 20:24                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 20:43                                         ` David Lang
2015-04-29 20:51                                           ` David Herrmann
2015-04-30  1:42                                             ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 22:34                                   ` John Stoffel
2015-04-30 20:14                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-01 15:49                               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-28 17:19                       ` David Lang
2015-04-28 19:19                         ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 20:34                           ` David Lang
2015-04-28 20:42                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 20:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-22 17:33                   ` Jindrich Makovicka
2015-06-22 20:23                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-22 21:24                   ` Jindřich Makovička
2015-07-07 21:40                   ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-28 12:49                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 10:39             ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-23 18:33   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-23 19:01     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 18:57   ` Kdbus needs meaningful review (was: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1) Eric W. Biederman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-04-15 18:18 [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2015-04-15 18:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-15 18:37   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 22:16   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 18:37 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 22:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 18:20 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-20 20:43   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-20 20:56     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-20 21:16       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-20 21:46         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-20 22:06           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-21  7:38             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-21  9:35             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-21 10:17               ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 12:20                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 14:01                   ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 14:27                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 14:47                       ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 18:11                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22 14:57                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-22 19:36                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-27 12:46                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-27 20:11                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 17:24                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 10:51               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 11:03                 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-21 12:56                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 10:31             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 10:53               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-21 11:09                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 11:39                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-21 13:18               ` Olivier Galibert
2015-04-21 13:48                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 15:53                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-21 18:18               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-21  8:18           ` Richard Cochran
2015-04-21  9:07         ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-21 13:37           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22  1:51             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2015-04-22  3:11               ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 13:09             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-20 20:26 George Spelvin
2015-04-21 12:08 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn

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