From: Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Havoc Pennington <hp@pobox.com>,
One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Daniel Mack <daniel@zonque.org>,
David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 19:03:10 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150416180310.GA5382@dztty> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <552ED310.80806@redhat.com>
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 05:07:28PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
[...]
> > This leads me to a potentially interesting question: where's the
> > buffering? If there's a bus with lots of untrusted clients and one of
> > them broadcasts data faster than all receivers can process it, where
> > does it go?
> >
> > At least with a userspace solution, it's clear what the OOM killer
> > should kill when this happens. Unless it's PID 1. Sigh
>
> It may be useful to do the buffering (and general interception
> of any message that cannot be delivered) in a userspace program.
>
> Not only to get the buffers out of the kernel and into swappable
> memory, but also so people could re-use the same infrastructure
> for things like cluster communication (or communication between
> different containers) - the userspace daemons could take care of
> routing messages to and from the outside.
>
> They could also be useful to keep some of the policy stuff
> outside of the kernel, if only to ensure that the kernel side
> policy is not set in stone, and people can do things differently
> in the future if they want to.
>
kdbus connections have memory pools, please check kdbus.pool(7). The
pool has its own quota accounting to prevent bad scenarios, and the
memory is attributed to the connection.
Messages that can't be delivered are not stored in the pool, but senders
will get an appropriate error code. For further details on how this
works, please see kdbus.message(7). If you are aware of any corner-cases
we overlooked, please let us know.
Regarding the policy, the implementaion is hardly more complex than
traditional UNIX file permissions. Bus names may have multiple
permissions assined, each of which consist of a bit-mask to denote OWN,
TALK and SEE flags which are applied to UIDs, GIDs or "world". This
policy has to be enforced by the kernel, therfore the information it
acts upon also needs to be stored there. For further details, please see
kdbus.policy(7).
The concept of a name policy originates from dbus1 [1], however we
simplified it substantially, removing features which we believe rather
belong into userspace.
[1] http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-daemon.1.html
--
Djalal Harouni
http://opendz.org
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2015-04-13 19:03 [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-13 19:42 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:49 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 19:54 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:57 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 20:03 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 20:08 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 20:22 ` Al Viro
2015-04-13 20:37 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 1:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 6:54 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15 7:31 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15 14:48 ` Michal Schmidt
2015-04-15 15:34 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15 16:42 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-17 16:53 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15 8:48 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 9:00 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15 9:20 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 9:21 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 9:27 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 9:30 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15 9:49 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 9:53 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15 9:44 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 11:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 13:03 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 15:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 16:40 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 16:48 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 17:33 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-16 8:43 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 17:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 17:41 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 17:55 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 21:55 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 18:12 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 19:04 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15 9:28 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15 11:25 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 13:20 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 15:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 15:46 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 16:35 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 17:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 17:31 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 21:56 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 22:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:18 ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 22:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:48 ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 22:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 23:27 ` Al Viro
2015-04-16 0:47 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 1:04 ` Al Viro
2015-04-16 5:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:56 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 10:31 ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-16 12:02 ` Tom Gundersen
2015-04-16 12:15 ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-16 12:43 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-21 16:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-21 19:38 ` Matthew Garrett
2015-04-21 19:55 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-15 8:18 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15 8:32 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 8:52 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15 9:02 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 9:28 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15 11:52 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 8:29 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 0:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-14 0:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 17:55 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 21:06 ` Issues with capability bits and meta-data in kdbus Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-22 1:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-22 1:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22 2:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-22 3:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22 13:46 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-22 11:40 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-22 13:07 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-22 14:05 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-22 13:27 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 14:35 ` Michele Curti
2015-04-22 20:02 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 21:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 5:35 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-24 14:32 ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 14:39 ` Michele Curti
2015-04-24 15:02 ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 15:14 ` Michele Curti
2015-04-24 14:41 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-24 15:04 ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-24 18:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 8:38 ` Michele Curti
2015-04-22 10:45 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-22 11:41 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-22 8:58 ` [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23 19:14 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 20:56 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23 21:22 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-23 21:33 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-24 14:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-23 21:41 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24 5:02 ` Steven Noonan
2015-04-24 9:04 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24 10:28 ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-24 10:50 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24 11:26 ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-24 6:36 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24 6:45 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24 7:27 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-24 8:35 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 20:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-13 20:45 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 21:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 17:50 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 18:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 19:23 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:24 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-14 19:32 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:40 ` Al Viro
2015-04-14 19:48 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:53 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 8:44 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 8:54 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 9:09 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:36 ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 13:13 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 16:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 9:35 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 11:45 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 20:11 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-14 22:39 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 8:38 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 10:37 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 11:49 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:03 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 12:41 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 14:06 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 16:27 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 12:55 ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 17:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 18:11 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:35 ` Al Viro
2015-04-14 19:43 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 17:59 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-15 18:04 ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-15 22:22 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-16 16:02 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-16 17:31 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 20:55 ` Al Viro
2015-04-18 11:44 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 16:37 ` Robert Schwebel
2015-04-17 13:45 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 16:54 ` Diego Viola
2015-04-21 17:06 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 17:25 ` Diego Viola
2015-04-14 20:14 ` John Stoffel
2015-04-14 21:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-14 22:05 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 6:56 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 8:37 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:12 ` James Bottomley
2015-04-16 12:13 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-17 19:27 ` James Bottomley
2015-04-17 20:27 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-17 21:45 ` Alex Elsayed
2015-04-20 18:01 ` James Bottomley
2015-04-21 8:09 ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-21 18:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 8:35 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:00 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:09 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 12:18 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 12:30 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:27 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 22:33 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 8:56 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 11:06 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 16:00 ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-15 16:44 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 18:16 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 18:40 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 20:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 20:41 ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 21:07 ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-16 18:03 ` Djalal Harouni [this message]
2015-04-15 21:58 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-16 13:13 ` Tom Gundersen
2015-04-16 14:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 15:01 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 17:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-17 9:19 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-17 18:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-20 12:43 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-20 20:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 19:01 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-17 13:23 ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-17 14:54 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 22:08 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-16 13:14 ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-16 17:15 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-23 13:05 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 13:06 ` [PATCH] kdbus: pool: use __vfs_read() Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 14:17 ` [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-23 16:36 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 16:46 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 17:16 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 17:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 17:42 ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-23 19:30 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24 2:08 ` Karol Lewandowski
2015-04-29 21:16 ` Paul Moore
2015-04-23 17:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:56 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 19:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 19:33 ` Greg KH
2015-04-23 20:53 ` Linus Torvalds
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2015-04-24 13:50 ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-24 14:19 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-24 14:34 ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-24 19:25 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-27 8:57 ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-27 17:18 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-27 22:29 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 10:53 ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-27 21:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-27 21:40 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-27 22:00 ` Linus Torvalds
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2015-04-28 13:44 ` Havoc Pennington
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2015-04-28 17:18 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-28 20:25 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 23:12 ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 0:45 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-29 11:33 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 12:47 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 13:33 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 13:38 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 13:46 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:01 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:04 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:11 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:18 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:53 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:58 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 15:03 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-29 15:21 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-30 9:05 ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 9:12 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 10:19 ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 10:40 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 12:16 ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 12:23 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 12:40 ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 12:45 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 14:52 ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 15:05 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-07-03 9:13 ` cee1
2015-04-29 16:25 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 14:46 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 14:51 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 15:07 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 15:17 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 15:22 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 15:41 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 18:28 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 16:26 ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 17:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-29 19:10 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 19:28 ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 22:49 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-30 0:05 ` David Lang
2015-04-30 0:15 ` Dave Airlie
2015-04-30 0:18 ` David Lang
2015-04-30 1:20 ` Dave Airlie
2015-04-29 13:35 ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-29 15:18 ` Simon McVittie
2015-04-29 17:48 ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-29 15:27 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 16:36 ` David Lang
2015-04-29 18:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 19:30 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 19:42 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 20:15 ` David Lang
2015-04-29 20:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 20:43 ` David Lang
2015-04-29 20:51 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-30 1:42 ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 22:34 ` John Stoffel
2015-04-30 20:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-01 15:49 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-28 17:19 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 19:19 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 20:34 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 20:42 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 20:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-22 17:33 ` Jindrich Makovicka
2015-06-22 20:23 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-22 21:24 ` Jindřich Makovička
2015-07-07 21:40 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-28 12:49 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 10:39 ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-23 18:33 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-23 19:01 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 18:57 ` Kdbus needs meaningful review (was: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1) Eric W. Biederman
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2015-04-15 18:18 [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2015-04-15 18:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-15 18:37 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 22:16 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 18:37 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 22:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 18:20 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-20 20:43 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-20 20:56 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-20 21:16 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-20 21:46 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-20 22:06 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-21 7:38 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-21 9:35 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-21 10:17 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 12:20 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 14:01 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 14:27 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 14:47 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-21 18:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22 14:57 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-22 19:36 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-27 12:46 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-27 20:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 17:24 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-21 10:51 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 11:03 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-21 12:56 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 10:31 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 10:53 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-21 11:09 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 11:39 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-21 13:18 ` Olivier Galibert
2015-04-21 13:48 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 15:53 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-21 18:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-21 8:18 ` Richard Cochran
2015-04-21 9:07 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-21 13:37 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 1:51 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2015-04-22 3:11 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 13:09 ` Johannes Stezenbach
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