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From: Michele Curti <michele.curti@gmail.com>
To: Havoc Pennington <hp@pobox.com>
Cc: Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Mack <daniel@zonque.org>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@opendz.org>
Subject: Re: Issues with capability bits and meta-data in kdbus
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:38:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150423083859.GA5277@dellaz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEntwhF8xhT1YiZWCESML=+qfQ3n2HDgrf_W1JboNGf869-JHA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 04:02:34PM -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Michele Curti <michele.curti@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, would you like to change something in dbus design,
> > if you didn't have to worry about ABI breaks and the like?
> >
> 
> Good question. I can't remember any big-picture things, I'm sure the
> current maintainers and users have a longer list. :-) There are a
> variety of little small things, some examples I can immediately think
> of:
> 
>  * the ad hoc authentication protocol is sort of ugly
>  * the byte order marker in every message is silly
>  * protocol version in every message is useless
>  * Ryan Lortie's nice fixes in GVariant, which I think kdbus adopts (
> https://people.gnome.org/~ryanl/gvariant-serialisation.pdf ), for the
> most part these are 'cleanups' but nullable types ("maybe" types for
> Haskell fans) are a notable semantic addition
>  * specify how it works on Windows, the Windows port last I checked
> (years ago) didn't do things in a Windows-sensible way
>  * specify what happens when resource limits are reached
>  * wouldn't use XML for introspection data these days
> http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-specification.html#introspection-format
>

Nice, thanks!

It seems that all of these are userspace related only.  Yes I saw a "gvariant
readme" in systemd sources, now I understood what it is (I'm not an expert) :D 

My only fear was that kdbus was trying to keep something that even dbus himself
don't want.  But it seems that this is not the case.

Thanks, regards,
Michele


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-23  8:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 316+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-13 19:03 [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-13 19:42   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:49     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 19:54       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 19:57         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 20:03           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 20:08             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 20:22     ` Al Viro
2015-04-13 20:37       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  1:36       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15  6:54         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  7:31           ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15 14:48             ` Michal Schmidt
2015-04-15 15:34               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15 16:42               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-17 16:53               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-15  8:48           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:00             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:20               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:21                 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  9:27                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:30                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:49                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:53                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15  9:44                     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 11:40                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 13:03                         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 15:41                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 16:40                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 16:48                             ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 17:33                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:06                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-16  8:43                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 17:20                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 17:41                               ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 17:55                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 21:55                                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 18:12                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 19:04                         ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  9:28                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-15 11:25             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 13:20               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 15:45               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 15:46                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 16:35                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 17:06                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 17:31                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:04                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 21:56                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 22:11                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:18                           ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 22:28                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:48                               ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 22:54                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 23:27                                   ` Al Viro
2015-04-16  0:47                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16  1:04                                       ` Al Viro
2015-04-16  5:53                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 22:56                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-16 10:31                           ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-16 12:02                             ` Tom Gundersen
2015-04-16 12:15                               ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-16 12:43                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-21 16:36                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-21 19:38                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2015-04-21 19:55                                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-15  8:18         ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  8:32           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:52             ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15  9:02               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  9:28                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-15 11:52                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:29         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14  0:19   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-14  0:34     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 17:55     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 21:06       ` Issues with capability bits and meta-data in kdbus Eric W. Biederman
2015-04-22  1:30         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-22  1:54           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22  2:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-22  3:19               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-22 13:46                 ` David Herrmann
2015-04-22 11:40               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-22 13:07                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-22 14:05                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-22 13:27                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 14:35                   ` Michele Curti
2015-04-22 20:02                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-22 21:48                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23  5:35                         ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-24 14:32                         ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 14:39                           ` Michele Curti
2015-04-24 15:02                             ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 15:14                               ` Michele Curti
2015-04-24 14:41                           ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-24 15:04                             ` Olaf Hering
2015-04-24 17:52                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-24 18:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23  8:38                       ` Michele Curti [this message]
2015-04-22 10:45           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-22 11:41           ` David Herrmann
2015-04-22  8:58   ` [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23 19:14     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 20:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-23 21:22         ` David Herrmann
2015-04-23 21:33           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-24 14:02             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-23 21:41           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24  5:02             ` Steven Noonan
2015-04-24  9:04               ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24 10:28                 ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-24 10:50                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-24 11:26                     ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-24  6:36         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  6:45           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  7:27             ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-24  8:35             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 20:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-13 20:45   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-13 21:01     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 17:50       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 18:57         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-14 19:23           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:24             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-14 19:32               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:40                 ` Al Viro
2015-04-14 19:48                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:53                     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  8:44                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15  8:54                         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  9:09                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:36                             ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 13:13                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 16:47                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15  9:35                         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15 11:45                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 20:11                     ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-14 22:39                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  8:38                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 10:37                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 11:49                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:03                           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 12:41                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 14:06                               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 16:27                                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 12:55                           ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 17:33                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 18:11                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 19:35             ` Al Viro
2015-04-14 19:43               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 17:59                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-15 18:04                   ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-15 22:22                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-16 16:02                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-16 17:31                       ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 20:55                         ` Al Viro
2015-04-18 11:44                           ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 16:37                     ` Robert Schwebel
2015-04-17 13:45                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 16:54                   ` Diego Viola
2015-04-21 17:06                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-21 17:25                       ` Diego Viola
2015-04-14 20:14             ` John Stoffel
2015-04-14 21:51               ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-14 22:05                 ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  6:56                   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-04-15  8:37                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 18:12                     ` James Bottomley
2015-04-16 12:13                       ` David Herrmann
2015-04-17 19:27                         ` James Bottomley
2015-04-17 20:27                           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-17 21:45                             ` Alex Elsayed
2015-04-20 18:01                             ` James Bottomley
2015-04-21  8:09                               ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-21 18:25                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15  8:35               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:00           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:09             ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15 12:18               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 12:30                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 12:27               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-14 22:33         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-04-15  8:56           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-15 11:06             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-15 16:00               ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-15 16:44                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 18:16                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-15 18:40                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 20:22                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-15 20:41                     ` Al Viro
2015-04-15 21:07                     ` Rik van Riel
2015-04-16 18:03                       ` Djalal Harouni
2015-04-15 21:58                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-16 13:13                     ` Tom Gundersen
2015-04-16 14:34                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 15:01                         ` David Herrmann
2015-04-16 17:04                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-17  9:19                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-17 18:54                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-20 12:43                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-04-20 20:03                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-16 19:01                       ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-17 13:23                         ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-17 14:54                           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-15 22:08                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-16 13:14                     ` Daniel Mack
2015-04-16 17:15                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-23 13:05 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 13:06   ` [PATCH] kdbus: pool: use __vfs_read() Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 14:17   ` [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1 One Thousand Gnomes
2015-04-23 16:36   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 16:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 17:16       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 17:34         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 17:42         ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-23 19:30           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-24  2:08             ` Karol Lewandowski
2015-04-29 21:16               ` Paul Moore
2015-04-23 17:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:04           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:56             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 19:22               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-23 19:33                 ` Greg KH
2015-04-23 20:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 20:51               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-23 18:48           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-24 13:50         ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-24 14:19           ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-24 14:34             ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-24 19:25               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-27  8:57                 ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-27 17:18                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-27 22:29                   ` David Lang
2015-04-28 10:53                     ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-27 21:32           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-27 21:40             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-27 22:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-27 22:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-04-28 13:44                   ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 14:48                     ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 17:18                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-28 20:25                         ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 23:12                           ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29  0:45                             ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-29 11:33                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 12:47                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 13:33                               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 13:38                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 13:46                                   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:01                                     ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:04                                       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:11                                         ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:18                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 14:53                                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 14:58                                               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 15:03                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-29 15:21                                                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-30  9:05                                                   ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30  9:12                                                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 10:19                                                       ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 10:40                                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 12:16                                                           ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 12:23                                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 12:40                                                               ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 12:45                                                                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-30 14:52                                                                   ` Łukasz Stelmach
2015-04-30 15:05                                                                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-07-03  9:13                                                                     ` cee1
2015-04-29 16:25                                                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 14:46                                           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 14:51                                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 15:07                                             ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 15:17                                               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 15:22                                                 ` Harald Hoyer
2015-04-29 15:41                                                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 18:28                                                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 16:26                                   ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 17:39                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-29 19:10                                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 19:28                                       ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 22:49                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-04-30  0:05                                       ` David Lang
2015-04-30  0:15                                         ` Dave Airlie
2015-04-30  0:18                                           ` David Lang
2015-04-30  1:20                                             ` Dave Airlie
2015-04-29 13:35                               ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-29 15:18                                 ` Simon McVittie
2015-04-29 17:48                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2015-04-29 15:27                               ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-29 16:36                                 ` David Lang
2015-04-29 18:54                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 19:30                                 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-29 19:42                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 20:15                                     ` David Lang
2015-04-29 20:24                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-29 20:43                                         ` David Lang
2015-04-29 20:51                                           ` David Herrmann
2015-04-30  1:42                                             ` John Stoffel
2015-04-29 22:34                                   ` John Stoffel
2015-04-30 20:14                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-01 15:49                               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-04-28 17:19                       ` David Lang
2015-04-28 19:19                         ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 20:34                           ` David Lang
2015-04-28 20:42                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-04-28 20:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-22 17:33                   ` Jindrich Makovicka
2015-06-22 20:23                     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-22 21:24                   ` Jindřich Makovička
2015-07-07 21:40                   ` Johannes Stezenbach
2015-04-28 12:49                 ` Havoc Pennington
2015-04-28 10:39             ` Lukasz Skalski
2015-04-23 18:33   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-23 19:01     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2015-04-23 18:57   ` Kdbus needs meaningful review (was: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1) Eric W. Biederman

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