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From: "ira.weiny" <ira.weiny@intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: Liran Liss <liranl@mellanox.com>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Wang <yun.wang@profitbricks.com>,
	Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
	Sean Hefty <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
	Hal Rosenstock <hal.rosenstock@gmail.com>,
	"hal@dev.mellanox.co.il" <hal@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
	Tom Tucker <tom@opengridcomputing.com>,
	Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>,
	Hoang-Nam Nguyen <hnguyen@de.ibm.com>,
	"raisch@de.ibm.com" <raisch@de.ibm.com>,
	Mike Marciniszyn <infinipath@intel.com>,
	Eli Cohen <eli@mellanox.com>,
	Faisal Latif <faisal.latif@intel.com>,
	Jack Morgenstein <jackm@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
	Haggai Eran <haggaie@mellanox.com>, Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/27] IB/Verbs: IB Management Helpers
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 15:10:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150427191030.GA5347@phlsvsds.ph.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150424164226.GB9305@obsidianresearch.com>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 10:42:26AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 03:00:15PM +0000, Liran Liss wrote:
> 
> > Currently, the only code in the kernel that has an SMI interface is IB.
> > When OPA is introduced, add the proper helper.
> 
> We already have tests checking for SMI is supported so QP0 can be
> created, this is to support ROCEE
>  
> > All I am saying is that there will always be code paths that are
> > technology- and standards-specific.  For example, the low-level MAD
> > processing code *must* do stuff like:
> 
> > if (rdma_is_transport_ib())
> > 	/* IB-spec compliant stuff */
> > else if (rdma_is_transport_opa())
> > 	/* OPA stuff */

The issue is that opa is _not_ a new "transport".  It is just like RoCEE which
supports the IB transport with some differences.

We need a way to explain what those differences are while keeping each section
of code as clean and clear as possible.  Many of us have spent a lot of time
trying to figure out what each section of the current code is doing when they
call "get_transport" and/or "get_link_layer".

> 
> Why should we open code that? It is back to what I said - that doesn't
> help the reader. Which of the few differences between OPA and IB MADs
> is that code trying to deal with?
> 
> Heck, what are the differences? Do you know? Do I know?
> 
> If you don't know what the differences are, you can't realistically
> work on the MAD layer anymore, because you might break OPA.
> 
> Whereas, If I see:
> 
> if (cap_2k_mad())
>  /* Special handling for OPA 2k mad support */

FWIW we decided not to special case 2K and simply provide the max MAD size
which a driver supports.  This is much more flexible.  I think the semantics
are equivalent to your example here but I don't think we need a discussion
around a "cap_2k_mad" helper.

> if (cap_opa_mad_space() && mad->baseVersion == ... )
>  /* Decode OPA mads */
> if (cap_ib_mad_space() && mad->baseVersion == ... )
>  /* Decode IB mads */

Agreed.

> 
> The I *know* what to look for when writing new code.
> 
> That is the problem we are trying to address here. iWarp has already
> created it, we addressed it using 'rdma_is_transport_iwarp' and I
> don't think those results were very satisfying.

No they are not and it is getting more complicated.

Ira


  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-27 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-20  8:28 [PATCH v5 00/27] IB/Verbs: IB Management Helpers Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:32 ` [PATCH v5 01/27] IB/Verbs: Implement new callback query_transport() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:04   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 15:02   ` Doug Ledford
2015-04-22 15:21     ` Devesh Sharma
2015-04-22 16:22       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 16:42       ` Doug Ledford
2015-04-23  7:13     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:32 ` [PATCH v5 02/27] IB/Verbs: Implement raw management helpers Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:05   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:33 ` [PATCH v5 03/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-core mad/agent/user_mad Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:05   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:33 ` [PATCH v5 04/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-core cm Michael Wang
2015-04-20 17:04   ` Hal Rosenstock
2015-04-21  7:42     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:05   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:34 ` [PATCH v5 05/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-core sa_query Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:05   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:34 ` [PATCH v5 06/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-core multicast Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:06   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:35 ` [PATCH v5 07/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-ulp ipoib Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:06   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:35 ` [PATCH v5 08/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-ulp xprtrdma Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:06   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:36 ` [PATCH v5 09/27] IB/Verbs: Reform IB-core verbs/uverbs_cmd/sysfs Michael Wang
2015-04-21 23:19   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  7:38     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22 16:28       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-23  9:25         ` Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:36 ` [PATCH v5 10/27] IB/Verbs: Reform cm related part in IB-core cma/ucm Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:07   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:37 ` [PATCH v5 11/27] IB/Verbs: Reform route related part in IB-core cma Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:07   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:37 ` [PATCH v5 12/27] IB/Verbs: Reform mcast " Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:07   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:38 ` [PATCH v5 13/27] IB/Verbs: Reserve legacy transport type in 'dev_addr' Michael Wang
2015-04-21  5:58   ` Devesh Sharma
2015-04-21  8:05     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:08   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:38 ` [PATCH v5 14/27] IB/Verbs: Reform cma_acquire_dev() Michael Wang
2015-04-21  6:15   ` Devesh Sharma
2015-04-21  8:08     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:08   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:38 ` [PATCH v5 15/27] IB/Verbs: Reform rest part in IB-core cma Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:08   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:39 ` [PATCH v5 16/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ib_mad() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:09   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:39 ` [PATCH v5 17/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ib_smi() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:09   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:40 ` [PATCH v5 18/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ib_cm() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:09   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:40 ` [PATCH v5 19/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_iw_cm() Michael Wang
2015-04-20 14:00   ` Steve Wise
2015-04-20 15:16     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-20 15:51       ` Tom Tucker
2015-04-20 16:19         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-20 16:39           ` Tom Tucker
2015-04-21  7:39         ` Michael Wang
2015-04-21 15:06           ` Tom Tucker
2015-04-22  0:10   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:40 ` [PATCH v5 20/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ib_sa() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:10   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:41 ` [PATCH v5 21/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ib_mcast() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:10   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:41 ` [PATCH v5 22/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_ipoib() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:11   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  5:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-22  8:49     ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22 16:45       ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 16:54         ` Hefty, Sean
2015-04-23  9:31         ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22 17:24       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-23  7:53         ` Michael Wang
2015-04-20  8:42 ` [PATCH v5 23/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_read_multi_sge() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:11   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:42 ` [PATCH v5 24/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_af_ib() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:11   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:43 ` [PATCH v5 25/27] IB/Verbs: Use management helper cap_eth_ah() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:11   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:43 ` [PATCH v5 26/27] IB/Verbs: Clean up rdma_ib_or_iboe() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:12   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-20  8:43 ` [PATCH v5 27/27] IB/Verbs: Cleanup rdma_node_get_transport() Michael Wang
2015-04-22  0:13   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-21  5:41 ` [PATCH v5 00/27] IB/Verbs: IB Management Helpers Devesh Sharma
2015-04-21  7:46   ` Michael Wang
2015-04-21 11:03     ` Devesh Sharma
2015-04-21 15:56       ` Michael Wang
2015-04-21 23:36 ` Liran Liss
2015-04-22  2:41   ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  8:32     ` Michael Wang
     [not found]     ` <DB4PR05MB086335365371E756B789FE84B1EE0@DB4PR05MB0863.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>
2015-04-22 16:40       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <DB4PR05MB08633B2B2E3BA32752EE8098B1EC0@DB4PR05MB0863.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>
2015-04-24 16:42           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-27 19:10             ` ira.weiny [this message]
2015-04-22 16:40     ` Hefty, Sean
2015-04-24 14:49       ` Liran Liss
2015-04-22  8:30   ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22 16:16     ` Liran Liss
2015-04-23  7:33       ` Michael Wang
2015-04-24 14:44         ` Liran Liss
2015-04-24 15:07           ` Michael Wang
2015-04-27 19:22           ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 14:59   ` Doug Ledford
2015-04-22 16:57     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-23  8:36       ` Michael Wang
2015-04-22 17:10     ` ira.weiny
2015-04-23  9:36       ` Michael Wang
     [not found]       ` <DB4PR05MB08630282DEFFFB181A525B67B1EC0@DB4PR05MB0863.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>
2015-04-27 20:58         ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22 16:46   ` Dave Goodell (dgoodell)
2015-04-22  0:28 ` ira.weiny
2015-04-22  7:44   ` Michael Wang

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