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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
To: Nic Percival <Nic.Percival@microfocus.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>,
	Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: [PATCH man-pages] pty.7: clarify asynchronous nature of PTY IO.
Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 08:59:07 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150506085907.62df914f@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B335418C1EA3734C8A84807D617ED6B9B6524C7D@NWB-EXCHANGE4.microfocus.com>

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A PTY is not like a pipe - there may be delayed between
data being written at one end and it being available at the other.

This became particularly apparent after
 commit f95499c3030f ("n_tty: Don't wait for buffer work in read() loop")

in Linux 3.12

Signed-off-by: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>

---

Peter: does this seem reasonable and accurate to you?

MichaelK:  Would you prefer the commit ID in the man page.  It isn't so much
   a deliberate change as a code improvement which caused problems for certain
   use cases which depended on undefined behaviour.
   Thread at https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/5/1/35

NeilBrown


diff --git a/man7/pty.7 b/man7/pty.7
index 1332d11d9ca2..6c9ae182925c 100644
--- a/man7/pty.7
+++ b/man7/pty.7
@@ -56,6 +56,12 @@ terminal emulators,
 and
 .BR expect (1).
 
+Data flow between master and slave is handle asynchronously, much like
+data flow with a physical TTY.  Data written to the slave will be
+available at the master promptly, but may not be available
+immediately.  Similarly there may be a small processing delay between
+a write to the master, and the effect being visible at the slave.
+
 Historically, two pseudoterminal APIs have evolved: BSD and System V.
 SUSv1 standardized a pseudoterminal API based on the System V API,
 and this API should be employed in all new programs that use

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-05 22:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-01  6:20 [PATCH bisected regression] input_available_p() sometimes says 'no' when it should say 'yes' NeilBrown
2015-05-01 15:05 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-04 12:24   ` Michael Matz
2015-05-04 16:32     ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-04 16:56       ` Michael Matz
2015-05-04 18:42         ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05  8:20     ` Nic Percival
2015-05-05 11:18       ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05 12:03         ` Nic Percival
2015-05-05 13:29           ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05 13:34             ` Chris Purvis
2015-05-05 13:35               ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05 13:37                 ` Chris Purvis
     [not found]                 ` <2F7A2F2395CAC340B30E7E8A7D95533DB672C022@NWB-EXCHANGE4.microfocus.com>
2015-05-05 17:39                   ` Chris Purvis
2015-05-05 22:59       ` NeilBrown [this message]
2015-05-06 12:26         ` [PATCH man-pages] pty.7: clarify asynchronous nature of PTY IO Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-05-06 13:36           ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-06 16:12             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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