From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
To: Nic Percival <Nic.Percival@microfocus.com>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>,
Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: [PATCH man-pages] pty.7: clarify asynchronous nature of PTY IO.
Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 08:59:07 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150506085907.62df914f@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B335418C1EA3734C8A84807D617ED6B9B6524C7D@NWB-EXCHANGE4.microfocus.com>
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A PTY is not like a pipe - there may be delayed between
data being written at one end and it being available at the other.
This became particularly apparent after
commit f95499c3030f ("n_tty: Don't wait for buffer work in read() loop")
in Linux 3.12
Signed-off-by: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
---
Peter: does this seem reasonable and accurate to you?
MichaelK: Would you prefer the commit ID in the man page. It isn't so much
a deliberate change as a code improvement which caused problems for certain
use cases which depended on undefined behaviour.
Thread at https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/5/1/35
NeilBrown
diff --git a/man7/pty.7 b/man7/pty.7
index 1332d11d9ca2..6c9ae182925c 100644
--- a/man7/pty.7
+++ b/man7/pty.7
@@ -56,6 +56,12 @@ terminal emulators,
and
.BR expect (1).
+Data flow between master and slave is handle asynchronously, much like
+data flow with a physical TTY. Data written to the slave will be
+available at the master promptly, but may not be available
+immediately. Similarly there may be a small processing delay between
+a write to the master, and the effect being visible at the slave.
+
Historically, two pseudoterminal APIs have evolved: BSD and System V.
SUSv1 standardized a pseudoterminal API based on the System V API,
and this API should be employed in all new programs that use
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-05-05 22:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-05-01 6:20 [PATCH bisected regression] input_available_p() sometimes says 'no' when it should say 'yes' NeilBrown
2015-05-01 15:05 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-04 12:24 ` Michael Matz
2015-05-04 16:32 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-04 16:56 ` Michael Matz
2015-05-04 18:42 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05 8:20 ` Nic Percival
2015-05-05 11:18 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05 12:03 ` Nic Percival
2015-05-05 13:29 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05 13:34 ` Chris Purvis
2015-05-05 13:35 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05 13:37 ` Chris Purvis
[not found] ` <2F7A2F2395CAC340B30E7E8A7D95533DB672C022@NWB-EXCHANGE4.microfocus.com>
2015-05-05 17:39 ` Chris Purvis
2015-05-05 22:59 ` NeilBrown [this message]
2015-05-06 12:26 ` [PATCH man-pages] pty.7: clarify asynchronous nature of PTY IO Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-05-06 13:36 ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-06 16:12 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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