From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
williams@redhat.com, Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
fweisbec@redhat.com, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] context_tracking,x86: remove extraneous irq disable & enable from context tracking on syscall entry
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 14:18:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150507121848.GB32271@lerouge> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150507104845.GB14924@gmail.com>
On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 12:48:45PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > > If, on the other hand, you're just going to remotely sample the
> > > in-memory context, that sounds good.
> >
> > It's the latter.
> >
> > If you look at /proc/<pid>/{stack,syscall,wchan} and other files,
> > you will see we already have ways to determine, from in memory
> > content, where a program is running at a certain point in time.
> >
> > In fact, the timer interrupt based accounting does a similar thing.
> > It has a task examine its own in-memory state to figure out what it
> > was doing before the timer interrupt happened.
> >
> > The kernel side stack pointer is probably enough to tell us whether
> > a task is active in kernel space, on an irq stack, or (maybe) in
> > user space. Not convinced about the latter, we may need to look at
> > the same state the RCU code keeps track of to see what mode a task
> > is in...
> >
> > I am looking at the code to see what locks we need to grab.
> >
> > I suspect the runqueue lock may be enough, to ensure that the task
> > struct, and stack do not go away while we are looking at them.
>
> That will be enough, especially if you get to the task reference via
> rq->curr.
>
> > We cannot take the lock_trace(task) from irq context, and we
> > probably do not need to anyway, since we do not care about a precise
> > stack trace for the task.
>
> So one worry with this and similar approaches of statistically
> detecting user mode would be the fact that on the way out to
> user-space we don't really destroy the previous call trace - we just
> pop off the stack (non-destructively), restore RIPs and are gone.
>
> We'll need that percpu flag I suspect.
Note we have the context tracking state which tells where the current
task is: user/system/guest.
>
> And once we have the flag, we can get rid of the per syscall RCU
> callback as well, relatively easily: with CMPXCHG (in
> synchronize_rcu()!) we can reliably sample whether a CPU is in user
> mode right now, while the syscall entry/exit path does not use any
> atomics, we can just use a simple MOV.
>
> Once we observe 'user mode', then we have observed quiescent state and
> synchronize_rcu() can continue. If we've observed kernel mode we can
> frob the remote task's TIF_ flags to make it go into a quiescent state
> publishing routine on syscall-return.
>
> The only hard requirement of this scheme from the RCU synchronization
> POV is that all kernel contexts that may touch RCU state need to flip
> this flag reliably to 'kernel mode': i.e. all irq handlers, traps,
> NMIs and all syscall variants need to do this.
>
> But once it's there, it's really neat.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ingo
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Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-30 21:23 [PATCH 0/3] reduce nohz_full syscall overhead by 10% riel
2015-04-30 21:23 ` [PATCH 1/3] reduce indentation in __acct_update_integrals riel
2015-04-30 21:23 ` [PATCH 2/3] remove local_irq_save from __acct_update_integrals riel
2015-04-30 21:23 ` [PATCH 3/3] context_tracking,x86: remove extraneous irq disable & enable from context tracking on syscall entry riel
2015-04-30 21:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-01 6:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 15:20 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 15:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-01 16:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:26 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 16:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 18:05 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 18:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 19:11 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 19:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-02 5:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-02 18:27 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-03 18:41 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-07 10:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-04 9:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-04 13:30 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 14:06 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 14:19 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 15:59 ` question about RCU dynticks_nesting Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 18:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 19:39 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 20:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 20:13 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 20:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 20:53 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-05 5:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-06 1:49 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-06 3:44 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-06 6:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-06 6:52 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-06 7:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-07 0:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-07 15:44 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 19:00 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 19:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 19:59 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 20:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 10:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 12:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 13:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 18:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 21:09 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-06 5:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 10:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 10:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 12:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-02 4:06 ` [PATCH 3/3] context_tracking,x86: remove extraneous irq disable & enable from context tracking on syscall entry Mike Galbraith
2015-05-01 16:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:40 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 16:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:54 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 17:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 17:22 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 17:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:22 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 16:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-03 13:23 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-03 17:30 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-03 18:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-03 18:52 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-07 10:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 12:18 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2015-05-07 12:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 15:47 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-08 7:58 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 12:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-07 12:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 12:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 6:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-07 12:52 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-07 15:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 17:47 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-08 6:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 10:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-08 11:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 12:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-08 13:27 ` Ingo Molnar
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