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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	williams@redhat.com, Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	fweisbec@redhat.com, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] context_tracking,x86: remove extraneous irq disable & enable from context tracking on syscall entry
Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 14:18:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150507121848.GB32271@lerouge> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150507104845.GB14924@gmail.com>

On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 12:48:45PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > > If, on the other hand, you're just going to remotely sample the 
> > > in-memory context, that sounds good.
> > 
> > It's the latter.
> > 
> > If you look at /proc/<pid>/{stack,syscall,wchan} and other files, 
> > you will see we already have ways to determine, from in memory 
> > content, where a program is running at a certain point in time.
> > 
> > In fact, the timer interrupt based accounting does a similar thing. 
> > It has a task examine its own in-memory state to figure out what it 
> > was doing before the timer interrupt happened.
> > 
> > The kernel side stack pointer is probably enough to tell us whether 
> > a task is active in kernel space, on an irq stack, or (maybe) in 
> > user space. Not convinced about the latter, we may need to look at 
> > the same state the RCU code keeps track of to see what mode a task 
> > is in...
> > 
> > I am looking at the code to see what locks we need to grab.
> > 
> > I suspect the runqueue lock may be enough, to ensure that the task 
> > struct, and stack do not go away while we are looking at them.
> 
> That will be enough, especially if you get to the task reference via 
> rq->curr.
> 
> > We cannot take the lock_trace(task) from irq context, and we 
> > probably do not need to anyway, since we do not care about a precise 
> > stack trace for the task.
> 
> So one worry with this and similar approaches of statistically 
> detecting user mode would be the fact that on the way out to 
> user-space we don't really destroy the previous call trace - we just 
> pop off the stack (non-destructively), restore RIPs and are gone.
> 
> We'll need that percpu flag I suspect.

Note we have the context tracking state which tells where the current
task is: user/system/guest.

> 
> And once we have the flag, we can get rid of the per syscall RCU 
> callback as well, relatively easily: with CMPXCHG (in 
> synchronize_rcu()!) we can reliably sample whether a CPU is in user 
> mode right now, while the syscall entry/exit path does not use any 
> atomics, we can just use a simple MOV.
> 
> Once we observe 'user mode', then we have observed quiescent state and 
> synchronize_rcu() can continue. If we've observed kernel mode we can 
> frob the remote task's TIF_ flags to make it go into a quiescent state 
> publishing routine on syscall-return.
> 
> The only hard requirement of this scheme from the RCU synchronization 
> POV is that all kernel contexts that may touch RCU state need to flip 
> this flag reliably to 'kernel mode': i.e. all irq handlers, traps, 
> NMIs and all syscall variants need to do this.
> 
> But once it's there, it's really neat.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 	Ingo
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-07 12:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-30 21:23 [PATCH 0/3] reduce nohz_full syscall overhead by 10% riel
2015-04-30 21:23 ` [PATCH 1/3] reduce indentation in __acct_update_integrals riel
2015-04-30 21:23 ` [PATCH 2/3] remove local_irq_save from __acct_update_integrals riel
2015-04-30 21:23 ` [PATCH 3/3] context_tracking,x86: remove extraneous irq disable & enable from context tracking on syscall entry riel
2015-04-30 21:56   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-01  6:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 15:20     ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 15:59       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:03         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-01 16:21           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:26             ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 16:34               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 18:05                 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 18:40                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 19:11                     ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 19:37                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-02  5:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-02 18:27                           ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-03 18:41                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-07 10:35                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-04  9:26                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-04 13:30                             ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 14:06                             ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 14:19                             ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 15:59                             ` question about RCU dynticks_nesting Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 18:39                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 19:39                                 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 20:02                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 20:13                                     ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 20:38                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 20:53                                         ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-05  5:54                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-06  1:49                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-06  3:44                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-06  6:06                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-06  6:52                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-06  7:01                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-07  0:59                                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2015-05-07 15:44                                             ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 19:00                               ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 19:39                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-04 19:59                                   ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-04 20:40                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 10:53                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 12:34                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 13:00                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 18:35                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 21:09                                           ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-06  5:41                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-05 10:48                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 10:51                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-05-05 12:30                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-02  4:06                   ` [PATCH 3/3] context_tracking,x86: remove extraneous irq disable & enable from context tracking on syscall entry Mike Galbraith
2015-05-01 16:37             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:40               ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 16:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:54                   ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 17:12                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 17:22                       ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 17:59                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-01 16:22           ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-01 16:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-03 13:23       ` Mike Galbraith
2015-05-03 17:30         ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-03 18:24           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-03 18:52             ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-07 10:48               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 12:18                 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2015-05-07 12:29                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 15:47                     ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-08  7:58                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 12:22                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-07 12:44                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 12:49                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08  6:17                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-05-07 12:52                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-07 15:08                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 17:47                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-08  6:37                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 10:59                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-08 11:27                               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 12:56                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-05-08 13:27                                   ` Ingo Molnar

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