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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] force inlining of spinlock ops
Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:43:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150513104305.GB5113@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5553273B.6020405@redhat.com>


* Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 05/13/2015 12:17 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >>> In any case, the interesting measurement would not be -Os comparisons 
> >>> (which causes GCC to be too crazy), but to see the size effect of your 
> >>> _patch_ that always-inlines spinlock ops, on plain defconfig and on 
> >>> defconfig-Os.
> >>
> >> Here it is:
> >>
> >>     text    data     bss      dec    hex filename
> >> 12335864 1746152 1081344 15163360 e75fe0 vmlinuxO2.before
> >> 12335930 1746152 1081344 15163426 e76022 vmlinux
> > 
> > Hm, that's a (small) size increase on O2.
> > 
> > That might be a net positive though: because now we've eliminated 
> > quite a few function calls. Do we know which individual functions 
> > bloat and which debloat?
> 
> >>     text    data     bss      dec    hex filename
> >> 10373764 1684200 1077248 13135212 c86d6c vmlinuxOs.before
> >> 10363621 1684200 1077248 13125069 c845cd vmlinux
> > 
> > A decrease - which gets exploded on allyesconfig.
> > 
> > So as long as the -O2 case does not get hurt we can do -Os fixes.
> > 
> > I think this needs a bit more work to ensure that the O2 case is a 
> > net win.
> 
> I think O2 difference is just noise: with -O2 gcc is far less prone 
> to bogus deinlining, my patch should have negligible effect. And 
> effect is indeed negligible: +70 bytes on 12 megabytes.

So the patch force-inlines about a dozen locking APIs:

 - Some of those decrease the defconfig kernel size.
   Which ones and by how much?

 - Some of those increase the defconfig kernel size.
   Which ones and by how much?

We only know that the net effect is +70 bytes. Does that come out of:

 - large fluctuations such as -1000-1000+1000+1070, which happens to 
   net out into a small net number?

 - or does it come from much smaller fluctuations?

So to make an informed decision we need to know those details. When I 
deinline or reinline functions I usually do it on a per function 
basis, to avoid such ambiguity.

In the end what we want to have is only those deinlining/reinlining 
changes that decrease the defconfig kernel size, or at worst only 
increase it marginally.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-13 10:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-11 17:57 [PATCH] force inlining of spinlock ops Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-11 18:53 ` Josh Triplett
2015-05-11 22:19 ` Andrew Morton
2015-05-12  8:16   ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2015-05-12  9:44   ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-12  9:48     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-12  7:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-12 11:02   ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-12 11:43     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-12 13:13       ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-13 10:17         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-13 10:28           ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-13 10:43             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-05-13 14:09               ` Denys Vlasenko
2015-05-15  7:20                 ` Heiko Carstens
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2015-07-13 18:31 Denys Vlasenko

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