public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@suse.com>
To: josh@joshtriplett.org
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>, Paul Bolle <pebolle@tiscali.nl>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	clemens@ladisch.de, JBottomley@odin.com,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@osg.samsung.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>,
	"Gustavo F. Padovan" <gustavo@padovan.org>,
	Johan Hedberg <johan.hedberg@gmail.com>,
	Mikael Starvik <starvik@axis.com>,
	Jesper Nilsson <jesper.nilsson@axis.com>,
	Imre Kaloz <kaloz@openwrt.org>,
	khalasa@piap.pl, Ohad Ben-Cohen <ohad@wizery.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	3chas3@gmail.com, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	Bryan Wu <cooloney@gmail.com>, Richard Purdie <rpurdie@rpsys.net>,
	Jacek Anaszewski <j.anaszewski@samsung.com>,
	mcgrof@do-not-panic.com,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC v1] tree-wide: remove "select FW_LOADER" uses
Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 00:22:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150522222200.GP23057@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150522214357.GA24129@cloud>

On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 02:43:57PM -0700, josh@joshtriplett.org wrote:
> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 09:28:14PM +0200, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > So the question still stands -- are there any kconfig options which
> > depend on EXPERT which enable folks to screw up run time (not just driver
> > tweaks?
> 
> I don't think it should be possible

OK, thanks!

> > So unless I'm missing a corner case, it would seem replacing "select FW_LOADER"
> > with "depends on FW_LOADER" is a reasonable option so far. The subtleties lie
> > then now in since EXPERT is used by most distributions, everyone is an expert,
> > and:
> > 
> >   a) Do we want to be consistent about ensuring run time sanity of EXPERT?
> >   b) Should we split EXPERT into tweak / possible run time break options?
> 
> "depends on FW_LOADER" and "select FW_LOADER" are equivalent from the
> point of view of what configs they allow; they differ in how the
> dependency is shown in UIs.
>
> However, from the sounds of things, you want to add a dependency to
> FW_LOADER.

Nope the recursive case was that a new component which depends on
FW_LOADER ended up selecting CRYPTO, and it turns out another driver
which depends on FW_LOADER also depended on CRYPTO so that in turn
creates a recursive dependency.

> So in that case, yeah, switch to depends rather than
> rewriting Kconfig, unless you're feeling really ambitious.

OK so switching to "depends on" is the winning contender so far.

> > > > Note that not changing this means we *will* eventually run into the
> > > > recursive dependency issue later, either with my FW API change patches
> > > > or some other future feature. Likewise for any other kconfig option
> > > > with similar semantics.
> 
> By "recursive dependency issue", I'm guessing that someone wants to make
> FW_LOADER depend on something else, which breaks because "select"
> doesn't know how to recurse?

Kind of, the issue actually was a new component which depends on FW_LOADER
and has crypto dependencies. Since the qat crypto driver selects FW_LOADER
but also has a set of crypto dependencies that creates a recursive dependency
loop.

> Ideally, someone should teach Kconfig to handle recursive dependencies,
> but in the meantime using "depends" makes sense.

Doesn't sound like anyone is that enthusiastic about that.

So... shall we just switch to "depends on" tree-wide then for FW_LOADER?

  Luis

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-22 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-21 20:45 [RFC v1] tree-wide: remove "select FW_LOADER" uses Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-21 22:21 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-22  6:53   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-22  7:11     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-05-22  7:41       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-22  7:45         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-05-22  7:56           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-22  8:17       ` Paul Bolle
2015-05-22  8:24         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-05-22  8:26         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-22  8:44         ` Takashi Iwai
2015-05-22  9:06           ` Paul Bolle
2015-05-22  9:56             ` Takashi Iwai
2015-05-22 17:43           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-22 17:57             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-05-22 18:19               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-22 18:52                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-05-22 19:28                   ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-22 20:22                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2015-05-22 21:43                     ` josh
2015-05-22 22:22                       ` Luis R. Rodriguez [this message]
2015-05-22 22:33                         ` Herbert Xu
2015-05-22 23:02                           ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2015-05-22 23:54                             ` Josh Triplett
2015-05-23  7:14                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-05-25 10:55                       ` Paul Bolle
2015-05-25 17:54                         ` Josh Triplett
2015-05-25 18:25                           ` Paul Bolle
2015-05-25 19:06                             ` Josh Triplett
2015-05-25 19:16                               ` Paul Bolle
2015-05-25 19:07                           ` James Bottomley
2015-05-25 19:29                             ` Josh Triplett
2015-05-25 21:29                               ` James Bottomley
2015-05-26  0:47                                 ` Josh Triplett
2015-05-26  1:33                                   ` James Bottomley
2015-05-26  8:28                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-05-25 10:59                     ` Paul Bolle
2015-05-22 19:30                   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-05-22 20:12                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-05-25  9:27                       ` Paul Bolle
2015-05-25 11:10                   ` Paul Bolle
2015-05-22  8:32     ` Paul Bolle
2015-05-22  9:05       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-05-22  9:20 ` Paul Bolle

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20150522222200.GP23057@wotan.suse.de \
    --to=mcgrof@suse.com \
    --cc=3chas3@gmail.com \
    --cc=JBottomley@odin.com \
    --cc=airlied@linux.ie \
    --cc=arnd@arndb.de \
    --cc=bp@alien8.de \
    --cc=clemens@ladisch.de \
    --cc=cooloney@gmail.com \
    --cc=davem@davemloft.net \
    --cc=dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com \
    --cc=geert@linux-m68k.org \
    --cc=gregkh@linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=gustavo@padovan.org \
    --cc=herbert@gondor.apana.org.au \
    --cc=j.anaszewski@samsung.com \
    --cc=jesper.nilsson@axis.com \
    --cc=johan.hedberg@gmail.com \
    --cc=josh@joshtriplett.org \
    --cc=jslaby@suse.cz \
    --cc=kaloz@openwrt.org \
    --cc=khalasa@piap.pl \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=marcel@holtmann.org \
    --cc=mcgrof@do-not-panic.com \
    --cc=mchehab@osg.samsung.com \
    --cc=ohad@wizery.com \
    --cc=pebolle@tiscali.nl \
    --cc=rpurdie@rpsys.net \
    --cc=starvik@axis.com \
    --cc=tiwai@suse.de \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox