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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.cz>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 06/18] signal/kthread: Initial implementation of kthread signal handling
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 23:13:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150608211336.GB24869@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150608135107.GB3135@pathway.suse.cz>

Let me first repeat that I agree that everything is subjective ;)

On 06/08, Petr Mladek wrote:
>
> To be honest, this patch set does _not_ make any big change.

But to me it does because (again, imo) it adds the a) unnecessary
and b) wrong interface.

But yes, yes, I agree that most (all?) of kthread/signal (ab)users
need cleanups. And fixes.

> I think that we should make it independent on the iterant kthread API.

Yes! please. Then we can discuss this again and perhaps reconsider
this API.

So I am going to ignore some parts of your email. I am sleeping,
please let me know if I missed something important ;)

> Well, note that allow_signal() sets some "crazy" value (2) for the
> signal handler. IMHO, we should check for these values and handle
> them reasonably even in kthreads. It will make the code more secure.

Not sure I understand. The crazy "2" value just means that kthread
wants to recieve and dequeue this signal. I agree with the good name
for this hard-coded number in advance.

> > > +
> > > +		/* Run the custom handler if any */
> > > +		if (ka->sa.kthread_sa_handler != KTHREAD_SIG_DFL) {
> > > +			ksig.ka = *ka;
> > > +
> > > +			if (ka->sa.sa_flags & SA_ONESHOT)
> > > +				ka->sa.kthread_sa_handler = KTHREAD_SIG_DFL;
> > > +
> > > +			spin_unlock_irqrestore(&sighand->siglock, flags);
> > > +			/* could run directly for kthreads */
> > > +			ksig.ka.sa.kthread_sa_handler(signr);
> > > +			freezable_cond_resched();
> > > +			goto relock;
> >
> > Well. But for what? A simple "switch (signr)" after kthread_dequeue_signal()
> > can do the same. Or, speaking of kthread_iterant_fn() it can even dequeue the
> > signal and pass it to kti->whatever(signr).
>
> I wanted to make it independent on the iterant API. Also if you want to
> handle more signals, you need even more code, e.g. the cycle,
> cond_resched(). So, I think that some generic helper is useful.

I do not. Contrary, I think this needs more code in the likely case.
Anyway, this API won't have too many users, so I don't even this this
is that important.

> > > +		if (sig_kernel_stop(signr)) {
> > > +			__set_current_state(TASK_STOPPED);
> > > +			spin_unlock_irqrestore(&sighand->siglock, flags);
> > > +			/* Don't run again until woken by SIGCONT or SIGKILL */
> > > +			freezable_schedule();
> > > +			goto relock;
> >
> > Yes this avoids the race with SIGCONT. But as I said we can add another
> > trivial helper which checks JOBCTL_STOP_DEQUEUED. So a kthread can do
> > this itself.
>
> Hmm, the helper would have a strange semantic. You need to take
> sighand->siglock, dequeue the signal (SIGSTOP), and call
> __set_current_state(TASK_STOPPED) before you release the lock.
> But what would happen if the dequeued signal is _not_ SIGSTOP?

Perhaps I missed your point, but no. If you want to handle SIGSTOP
you can do

	signr = kthread_signal_dequeue();
	switch (signr) {
	case SIGSTOP:
		something_else();
		kthread_do_signal_stop();
	...
	}


> I think that we should support only the standard handling of
> SIGSTOP. It is closely related with SIGCONT.

Agreed. If kthread wants to actually sleep in TASK_STOPPED state then
it should know about SIGCONT.

> > To me, SIG_DFL behaviour just makes makes no sense when it comes to
> > kthreads. I do not even think this can simplify the code. Unlike user-
> > space task, kthread can happily dequeue SIGSTOP, so why should we mimic
> > the userspace SIG_DFL logic.
>
> Maybe, we should handle only SIGSTOP

So far I even disagree with SIGSTOP "default" semantics. I simply see
no value.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-08 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-05 15:00 [RFC PATCH 00/18] kthreads/signal: Safer kthread API and signal handling Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 01/18] kthread: Allow to call __kthread_create_on_node() with va_list args Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 02/18] kthread: Add API for iterant kthreads Petr Mladek
2015-06-09  6:23   ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-15 12:46     ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 03/18] kthread: Add kthread_stop_current() Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 04/18] signal: Rename kernel_sigaction() to kthread_sigaction() and clean it up Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 05/18] freezer/scheduler: Add freezable_cond_resched() Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 06/18] signal/kthread: Initial implementation of kthread signal handling Petr Mladek
2015-06-06 21:58   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 13:51     ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-08 21:13       ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2015-06-15 13:13         ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-15 19:14           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-16  7:54             ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-09  7:10   ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-09 12:15     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-10  3:13       ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 07/18] kthread: Make iterant kthreads freezable by default Petr Mladek
2015-06-09  7:20   ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-09 15:53     ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-10  4:31       ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-12 13:24         ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-13 23:22           ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-15  9:28             ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 08/18] kthread: Allow to get struct kthread_iterant from task_struct Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 09/18] kthread: Make it easier to correctly sleep in iterant kthreads Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 16:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-08 10:01     ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-08 11:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09 15:25         ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-10  9:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09  7:32       ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-08 17:48     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-06-10  9:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-10 14:07         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-06-11  4:28           ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 10/18] jffs2: Remove forward definition of jffs2_garbage_collect_thread() Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 11/18] jffs2: Convert jffs2_gcd_mtd kthread into the iterant API Petr Mladek
2015-06-06 21:16   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-06 21:32     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-06 22:30       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-06 22:44         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-06 22:58           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 12/18] lockd: Convert the central lockd service to kthread_iterant API Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 13/18] ring_buffer: Use iterant kthreads API in the ring buffer benchmark Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 14/18] ring_buffer: Allow to cleanly freeze the ring buffer benchmark kthreads Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 15/18] ring_buffer: Allow to exit the ring buffer benchmark immediately Petr Mladek
2015-06-08 17:44   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-06-15 15:23     ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-15 15:33       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-06-15 15:54         ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 16/18] kthread: Support interruptible sleep with a timeout by iterant kthreads Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 17/18] ring_buffer: Use the new API for a sleep with a timeout in the benchmark Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 18/18] jffs2: Use the new API for a sleep with a timeout Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 16:22 ` [RFC PATCH 00/18] kthreads/signal: Safer kthread API and signal handling Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09  6:14   ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-10 10:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-11 22:02       ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-09  6:10 ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-09  7:58   ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-17 11:34 ` Christoph Hellwig

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