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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"Aaron Lu" <aaron.lu@intel.com>, "Tony Li" <tony.li@amd.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"Suravee Suthikulanit" <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Fengguang Wu" <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	"Len Brown" <lenb@kernel.org>, "Ken Xue" <ken.xue@amd.com>,
	"Huang Rui" <ray.huang@amd.com>, "X86 ML" <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/4] x86, mwaitt: introduce mwaix delay with a configurable timer
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 20:43:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150609184348.GJ22105@pd.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUuM0B2Eo6OD6TJUE+XyEgsWJatyCYNSYBFuniJ5ww8KA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 10:55:15AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> When I looked at the rdtsc ordering a couple years ago, I thought
> about what it meant for rdtsc to be properly ordered.  I decided that
> proper rdtsc ordering meant that no one should ever be able to tell if
> rdtsc ends up reordered.  Concretely, I think that rdtsc should be
> ordered like an x86 load from a shared memory location.  The manuals
> are vague but, after a decent amount of experimentation,
> rdtsc_barrier(); rdtsc() seems to achieve that on all CPUs.  With the
> barrier, the rdtsc won't happen before a prior load in the same
> thread, and no CPU seems to ever execute rdtsc after a subsequent
> memory access.

That sounds weak to me. I think we will need some enlightenment from hw
people here before we go assume stuff.

> > By virtue of the address dependency?
> 
> No, it's just that CPUs seem to work this way.

Err, that sounds funny. And it must be the data dependency forcing the
RDTSC to execute in order in that case.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

ECO tip #101: Trim your mails when you reply.
--

  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-09 18:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-09  3:13 [PATCH v2 0/4] x86, mwaitt: introduce AMD mwaitt support Huang Rui
2015-06-09  3:13 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] x86, mwaitt: add monitorx and mwaitx instruction Huang Rui
2015-06-09  8:23   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09  9:48     ` Huang Rui
2015-06-09 10:05       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-06-09 16:44         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-09 17:06           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-06-10  2:40             ` Huang Rui
2015-06-09  3:13 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] x86, mwaitt: make delay method configurable Huang Rui
2015-06-09  9:05   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-06-09  9:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09 10:03     ` Huang Rui
2015-06-09 10:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09 10:15         ` Huang Rui
2015-06-09 10:08       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-06-09  3:13 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] x86, mwaitt: introduce mwaix delay with a configurable timer Huang Rui
2015-06-09  8:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09 10:10     ` Huang Rui
2015-06-09  9:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09 10:59     ` Huang Rui
2015-06-09 16:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-09 17:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09 17:55         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-09 18:43           ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2015-06-09 18:55             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-12  8:42       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-06-12 23:15         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-06-13  8:48           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-06-09  3:13 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] x86, mwaitt: add documents of delay option Huang Rui

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