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From: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>
To: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>,
	David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL 0/8] perf/pt -> Intel PT/BTS
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:39:09 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150630143909.GC5888@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55929861.3050000@intel.com>

Em Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 04:23:45PM +0300, Adrian Hunter escreveu:
> On 30/06/15 13:56, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 
> > * Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>> Yeah, so I did a 'newbie test':
> >>>
> >>> I pulled the tree and saw that it has a tools/perf/Documentation/intel-bts.txt 
> >>> file and started reading it.
> >>>
> >>> Based on its text:
> >>>
> >>>   The Intel BTS kernel driver creates a new PMU for Intel BTS.  The perf record
> >>>   option is:
> >>>
> >>>         -e intel_bts//
> >>>
> >>>   Currently Intel BTS is limited to per-thread tracing so the --per-thread option
> >>>   is also needed.
> >>>
> >>> I tried the following command which failed:
> >>>
> >>>   triton:~/tip> perf record -e intel_bts// --per-thread sleep 1
> >>>   invalid or unsupported event: 'intel_bts//'
> >>>   Run 'perf list' for a list of valid events
> >>>
> >>>    usage: perf record [<options>] [<command>]
> >>>       or: perf record [<options>] -- <command> [<options>]
> >>>
> >>>       -e, --event <event>   event selector. use 'perf list' to list available events
> >>>
> >>> That's a really ... unhelpful message. If I typoed something I want to know that. 
> >>> If the kernel does not support something, I want to know about that too. Tooling 
> >>> telling me: "maybe you typoed something, maybe it's not supported, I really don't 
> >>> care" is not very productive.
> >>
> >> That is not entirely true. The message says "Run 'perf list' for a list of valid 
> >> events" which will tell you if the event is valid. So you can tell the 
> >> difference between a typo and unsupported event.
> > 
> > Yeah, but my point is: why doesn't the tool do this disambiguation for me? Tools 
> > are hard enough to use as-is already, no need to put artificial roadblocks in the 
> > path of first time users.
> 
> That applies to all events e.g.
> 
> # perf record -e sched:sched_swotch sleep 1
> invalid or unsupported event: 'sched:sched_swotch'                                                                                       
> Run 'perf list' for a list of valid events                                                                                               
>                                                                                                                                          
>  usage: perf record [<options>] [<command>]                                                                                              
>     or: perf record [<options>] -- <command> [<options>]                                                                                 
>                                                                                                                                          
>     -e, --event <event>   event selector. use 'perf list' to list available events    
> 
> So it is a general problem.

Right, guess it is interesting to note at this point that Jiri improved
this area:

[acme@zoo linux]$ perf record -e sched:sched_swotch sleep 1
event syntax error: 'sched:sched_swotch'
                     \___ unknown tracepoint
Run 'perf list' for a list of valid events

 usage: perf record [<options>] [<command>]
    or: perf record [<options>] -- <command> [<options>]

    -e, --event <event>   event selector. use 'perf list' to list available events
[acme@zoo linux]$

But:

[acme@zoo linux]$ perf record -e intel_pt// usleep 1
invalid or unsupported event: 'intel_pt//'
Run 'perf list' for a list of valid events

 usage: perf record [<options>] [<command>]
    or: perf record [<options>] -- <command> [<options>]

    -e, --event <event>   event selector. use 'perf list' to list available events
[acme@zoo linux]$

I'll investigate how this can be improved...

- Arnaldo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-30 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-26 22:02 [GIT PULL 0/8] perf/pt -> Intel PT/BTS Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-06-26 22:02 ` [PATCH 1/8] perf auxtrace: Add Intel PT as an AUX area tracing type Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-06-26 22:02 ` [PATCH 2/8] perf tools: Add Intel PT packet decoder Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-06-26 22:02 ` [PATCH 3/8] perf tools: Add Intel PT instruction decoder Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-06-26 22:02 ` [PATCH 4/8] perf tools: Add Intel PT log Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-06-26 22:02 ` [PATCH 5/8] perf tools: Add Intel PT decoder Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-06-26 22:02 ` [PATCH 6/8] perf tools: Add Intel PT support Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-06-26 22:02 ` [PATCH 7/8] perf tools: Take Intel PT into use Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-06-26 22:02 ` [PATCH 8/8] perf tools: Add Intel BTS support Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-06-30  4:58 ` [GIT PULL 0/8] perf/pt -> Intel PT/BTS Ingo Molnar
2015-06-30  7:54   ` Adrian Hunter
2015-06-30 10:56     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-30 13:23       ` Adrian Hunter
2015-06-30 14:39         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo [this message]
2015-07-01  8:19         ` Adrian Hunter
2015-07-01 12:47           ` Adrian Hunter
2015-07-02  9:28             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-07-02  9:43           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-07-02 12:35             ` Adrian Hunter
2015-07-02 13:02               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-07-02 19:00               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-07-03  9:08                 ` Adrian Hunter
2015-07-03 14:31             ` Alexander Shishkin

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