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From: josh@joshtriplett.org
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, dvhart@linux.intel.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, oleg@redhat.com, bobby.prani@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/5] Expedited grace periods encouraging normal ones
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:00:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150630220014.GA10916@cloud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150630214805.GA7795@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 02:48:05PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> This series contains some highly experimental patches that allow normal
> grace periods to take advantage of the work done by concurrent expedited
> grace periods.  This can reduce the overhead incurred by normal grace
> periods by eliminating the need for force-quiescent-state scans that
> would otherwise have happened after the expedited grace period completed.
> It is not clear whether this is a useful tradeoff.  Nevertheless, this
> series contains the following patches:

While it makes sense to avoid unnecessarily delaying a normal grace
period if the expedited machinery has provided the necessary delay, I'm
also *deeply* concerned that this will create a new class of
nondeterministic performance issues.  Something that uses RCU may
perform badly due to grace period latency, but then suddenly start
performing well because an unrelated task starts hammering expedited
grace periods.  This seems particularly likely during boot, for
instance, where RCU grace periods can be a significant component of boot
time (when you're trying to boot to userspace in small fractions of a
second).

- Josh Triplett

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-06-30 22:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-30 21:48 [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/5] Expedited grace periods encouraging normal ones Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 1/5] rcu: Prepare for expedited GP driving normal GP Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48   ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 2/5] rcu: Short-circuit normal GPs via expedited GPs Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 13:42       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 20:59       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 13:41       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 13:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 14:03           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 12:03             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-02 14:06               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 16:48                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-02 19:35                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-06 14:52                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-30 21:48   ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 3/5] rcutorture: Ensure that normal GPs advance without " Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48   ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 4/5] rcu: Wake grace-period kthread at end of expedited grace period Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48   ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 5/5] rcu: Limit expedited helping to every 10 ms or every 4th GP Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:56     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-06-30 22:10       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:07     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 13:45       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 19:30       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 22:00 ` josh [this message]
2015-06-30 22:12   ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/5] Expedited grace periods encouraging normal ones Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 23:46     ` josh
2015-07-01  0:15       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01  0:42         ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-01  3:37           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:12             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 14:01               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 14:08                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-07-01 15:58                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 15:43             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-01 15:59               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 10:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 14:00           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 14:17             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 16:17               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 17:02                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 20:09                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 21:20                     ` josh
2015-07-01 21:49                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02  7:47                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-07-02 13:58                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 18:35                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-07-02 18:47                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-07-02 19:23                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 21:07                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-07-02 19:22                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02  1:11                 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02  1:34                   ` josh
2015-07-02  1:59                     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02  2:18                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02  2:50                         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02  3:15                           ` Paul E. McKenney

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