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From: josh@joshtriplett.org
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com,
	edumazet@google.com, dvhart@linux.intel.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	oleg@redhat.com, bobby.prani@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/5] Expedited grace periods encouraging normal ones
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:20:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150701212001.GA18023@cloud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150701200936.GP3717@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 01:09:36PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 07:02:42PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > USB sure, but a backing dev is involved in nfs clients, loopback and all
> > sorts of block/filesystem like setups.
> > 
> > unmount an NFS mount and voila expedited rcu, unmount a loopback, tada.
> > 
> > All you need is a regular server workload triggering any of that on a
> > semi regular basis and even !rt people might start to notice something
> > is up.
> 
> I don't believe that latency-sensitive systems are going to be messing
> with remapping their storage at runtime, let alone on a regular basis.
> If they are not latency sensitive, and assuming that the rate of
> storage remapping is at all sane, I bet that they won't notice the
> synchronize_rcu_expedited() overhead.  The overhead of the actual
> remapping will very likely leave the synchronize_rcu_expedited() overhead
> way down in the noise.
> 
> And if they are doing completely insane rates of storage remapping,
> I suspect that the batching in the synchronize_rcu_expedited()
> implementation will reduce the expedited-grace-period overhead still
> further as a fraction of the total.

Consider the case of container-based systems, calling mount as part of
container setup and umount as part of container teardown.

And those workloads are often sensitive to latency, not throughput.

- Josh Triplett

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-01 21:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-30 21:48 [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/5] Expedited grace periods encouraging normal ones Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 1/5] rcu: Prepare for expedited GP driving normal GP Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48   ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 2/5] rcu: Short-circuit normal GPs via expedited GPs Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 13:42       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 20:59       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 13:41       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 13:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 14:03           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 12:03             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-02 14:06               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 16:48                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-02 19:35                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-06 14:52                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-30 21:48   ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 3/5] rcutorture: Ensure that normal GPs advance without " Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48   ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 4/5] rcu: Wake grace-period kthread at end of expedited grace period Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48   ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 5/5] rcu: Limit expedited helping to every 10 ms or every 4th GP Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:56     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-06-30 22:10       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:07     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 13:45       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 19:30       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 22:00 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/5] Expedited grace periods encouraging normal ones josh
2015-06-30 22:12   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 23:46     ` josh
2015-07-01  0:15       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01  0:42         ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-01  3:37           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:12             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 14:01               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 14:08                 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-07-01 15:58                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 15:43             ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-01 15:59               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 10:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 14:00           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 14:17             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 16:17               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 17:02                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 20:09                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 21:20                     ` josh [this message]
2015-07-01 21:49                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02  7:47                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-07-02 13:58                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 18:35                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-07-02 18:47                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-07-02 19:23                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 21:07                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-07-02 19:22                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02  1:11                 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02  1:34                   ` josh
2015-07-02  1:59                     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02  2:18                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02  2:50                         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02  3:15                           ` Paul E. McKenney

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