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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Yuyang Du <yuyang.du@intel.com>
Cc: Rabin Vincent <rabin.vincent@axis.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH?] Livelock in pick_next_task_fair() / idle_balance()
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:53:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150702105359.GY19282@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150701232511.GA5197@intel.com>

On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 07:25:11AM +0800, Yuyang Du wrote:
> And obviously, the idle balancing livelock SHOULD happen: one CPU pulls
> tasks from the other, makes the other idle, and this iterates...
> 
> That being said, it is also obvious to prevent the livelock from happening:
> idle pulling until the source rq's nr_running is 1, becuase otherwise we
> just avoid idleness by making another idleness.

Well, ideally the imbalance calculation would be so that it would avoid
this from happening in the first place. Its a 'balance' operation, not a
'steal everything'.

We want to take work -- as we have none -- but we want to ensure that
afterwards we have equal work, ie we're balanced.

So clearly that all is hosed. Now Morten was looking into simplifying
calculate_imbalance() recently.

> On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 10:44:04PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 04:55:51PM +0200, Rabin Vincent wrote:
> > >  PID: 413    TASK: 8edda408  CPU: 1   COMMAND: "rngd"
> > >   task_h_load():     0 [ = (load_avg_contrib {    0} * cfs_rq->h_load {    0}) / (cfs_rq->runnable_load_avg {    0} + 1) ]
> > >   SE: 8edda450 load_avg_contrib:     0 load.weight:  1024 PARENT: 8fffbd00 GROUPNAME: (null)
> > >   SE: 8fffbd00 load_avg_contrib:     0 load.weight:     2 PARENT: 8f531f80 GROUPNAME: rngd@hwrng.service
> > >   SE: 8f531f80 load_avg_contrib:     0 load.weight:  1024 PARENT: 8f456e00 GROUPNAME: system-rngd.slice
> > >   SE: 8f456e00 load_avg_contrib:   118 load.weight:   911 PARENT: 00000000 GROUPNAME: system.slice
> > 
> > Firstly, a group (parent) load_avg_contrib should never be less than
> > that of its constituent parts, therefore the top 3 SEs should have at
> > least 118 too.
> 
> I think the downward is parent,

Ugh, I cannot read. Let me blame it on the heat.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-02 10:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-30 14:30 [PATCH?] Livelock in pick_next_task_fair() / idle_balance() Rabin Vincent
2015-07-01  5:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-01 14:55   ` Rabin Vincent
2015-07-01 15:47     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-01 20:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 23:25       ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-02  8:05         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02  1:05           ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-02 10:25             ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02 11:40             ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-07-02 19:37               ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-03  9:34                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-07-03 16:38                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-05 22:31                     ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-09 14:32                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-07-09 23:24                         ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-05 20:12                   ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-06 17:36                     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-07-07 11:17                       ` Rabin Vincent
2015-07-13 17:43                         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-07-09 13:53                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-07-09 22:34                       ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-02 10:53         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-07-02 11:44           ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-07-02 18:42             ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-03  4:42               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-03 16:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-05 22:11           ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-09  6:15             ` Stefan Ekenberg
2015-07-26 18:57             ` Yuyang Du
2015-08-03 17:05             ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: Avoid pulling all tasks in idle balancing tip-bot for Yuyang Du

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