From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
josh@joshtriplett.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
tglx@linutronix.de, rostedt@goodmis.org, dhowells@redhat.com,
edumazet@google.com, dvhart@linux.intel.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
oleg@redhat.com, bobby.prani@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/5] Expedited grace periods encouraging normal ones
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:22:00 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150702192200.GO3717@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150702183557.GA15331@gmail.com>
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 08:35:57PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > > And it's not like it's that hard to stem the flow of algorithmic sloppiness at
> > > the source, right?
> >
> > OK, first let me make sure that I understand what you are asking for:
> >
> > 1. Completely eliminate synchronize_rcu_expedited() and
> > synchronize_sched_expedited(), replacing all uses with their
> > unexpedited counterparts. (Note that synchronize_srcu_expedited()
> > does not wake up CPUs, courtesy of its read-side memory barriers.)
> > The fast-boot guys are probably going to complain, along with
> > the networking guys.
> >
> > 2. Keep synchronize_rcu_expedited() and synchronize_sched_expedited(),
> > but push back hard on any new uses and question any existing uses.
> >
> > 3. Revert 74b51ee152b6 ("ACPI / osl: speedup grace period in
> > acpi_os_map_cleanup").
> >
> > 4. Something else?
>
> I'd love to have 1) but 2) would be a realistic second best option? ;-)
OK, how about the following checkpatch.pl patch?
And here are some other actions I have taken and will take to improve
the situation, both for OS jitter and for scalability:
o Reduce OS jitter by switching from try_stop_cpus() to
stop_one_cpu_nowait(), courtesy of Peter Zijlstra.
I expect to send this in v4.3 or v4.4, depending on how
testing and review goes.
o Eliminate expedited-grace-period-induced OS jitter on idle CPUs.
This went into v3.19. Note that this also avoids IPIing
nohz_full CPUs.
o I believe that I can reduce OS jitter by a further factor of two
(worst case) or factor of five (average case), but I am still
thinking about exactly how to do this. (This also has the
benefit of shutting up a lockdep false positive.)
o There is a global counter that synchronize_sched_expedited()
uses to determine when all the CPUs have passed through a
quiescent state. This is a scalability bottleneck on modest
systems under heavy load, so I will be switching this to
instead use the combining tree.
o Because both synchronize_sched_expedited() and
synchronize_rcu_expedited() can potentially wake up each and
every CPU, on sufficiently large systems, they are quite slow.
If this scalability problem ever becomes real, I intend to use
multiple kthreads to do the wakeups on large systems.
Seem reasonable?
Thanx, Paul
------------------------------------------------------------------------
scripts: Make checkpatch.pl warn on expedited RCU grace periods
The synchronize_rcu_expedited() and synchronize_sched_expedited()
expedited-grace-period primitives induce OS jitter, which can degrade
real-time response. This commit therefore adds a checkpatch.pl warning
on any patch adding them.
Note that this patch does not warn on synchronize_srcu_expedited()
because it does not induce OS jitter, courtesy of its otherwise
much-maligned read-side memory barriers.
Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>
Cc: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
diff --git a/scripts/checkpatch.pl b/scripts/checkpatch.pl
index 89b1df4e72ab..ddd82d743bba 100755
--- a/scripts/checkpatch.pl
+++ b/scripts/checkpatch.pl
@@ -4898,6 +4898,12 @@ sub process {
"memory barrier without comment\n" . $herecurr);
}
}
+# check for expedited grace periods that interrupt CPUs.
+# note that synchronize_srcu_expedited() does -not- do this, so no complaints.
+ if ($line =~ /\b(synchronize_rcu_expedited|synchronize_sched_expedited)\(/) {
+ WARN("EXPEDITED_RCU_GRACE_PERIOD",
+ "expedited RCU grace periods should be avoided\n" . $herecurr);
+ }
# check of hardware specific defines
if ($line =~ m@^.\s*\#\s*if.*\b(__i386__|__powerpc64__|__sun__|__s390x__)\b@ && $realfile !~ m@include/asm-@) {
CHK("ARCH_DEFINES",
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-07-02 19:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-06-30 21:48 [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/5] Expedited grace periods encouraging normal ones Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 1/5] rcu: Prepare for expedited GP driving normal GP Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 2/5] rcu: Short-circuit normal GPs via expedited GPs Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 13:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 20:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 13:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 13:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 14:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 12:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-02 14:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 16:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-02 19:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-06 14:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-30 21:48 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 3/5] rcutorture: Ensure that normal GPs advance without " Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 4/5] rcu: Wake grace-period kthread at end of expedited grace period Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:48 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 5/5] rcu: Limit expedited helping to every 10 ms or every 4th GP Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 21:56 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-06-30 22:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 13:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 19:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 22:00 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/5] Expedited grace periods encouraging normal ones josh
2015-06-30 22:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-30 23:46 ` josh
2015-07-01 0:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 0:42 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-01 3:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 14:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 14:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-07-01 15:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 15:43 ` Josh Triplett
2015-07-01 15:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 10:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 10:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 14:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 14:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 16:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 17:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 20:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 21:20 ` josh
2015-07-01 21:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 7:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-07-02 13:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 18:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-07-02 18:47 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-07-02 19:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 21:07 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2015-07-02 19:22 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2015-07-02 1:11 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02 1:34 ` josh
2015-07-02 1:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02 2:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-02 2:50 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02 3:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
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