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From: Yuyang Du <yuyang.du@intel.com>
To: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Rabin Vincent <rabin.vincent@axis.com>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>, Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH?] Livelock in pick_next_task_fair() / idle_balance()
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 06:34:02 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150709223402.GH5197@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150709135314.GA8668@e105550-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 02:53:14PM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 04:12:41AM +0800, Yuyang Du wrote:
> > Hi Morten,
> > 
> > On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 10:34:41AM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> > > > > IOW, since task groups include blocked load in the load_avg_contrib (see
> > > > > __update_group_entity_contrib() and __update_cfs_rq_tg_load_contrib()) the
> > > > > imbalance includes blocked load and hence env->imbalance >=
> > > > > sum(task_h_load(p)) for all tasks p on the rq. Which leads to
> > > > > detach_tasks() emptying the rq completely in the reported scenario where
> > > > > blocked load > runnable load.
> > > > 
> > > > Whenever I want to know the load avg concerning task group, I need to
> > > > walk through the complete codes again, I prefer not to do it this time.
> > > > But it should not be that simply to say "the 118 comes from the blocked load".
> > > 
> > > But the whole hierarchy of group entities is updated each time we enqueue
> > > or dequeue a task. I don't see how the group entity load_avg_contrib is
> > > not up to date? Why do you need to update it again?
> > > 
> > > In any case, we have one task in the group hierarchy which has a
> > > load_avg_contrib of 0 and the grand-grand parent group entity has a
> > > load_avg_contrib of 118 and no additional tasks. That load contribution
> > > must be from tasks which are no longer around on the rq? No?
> > 
> > load_avg_contrib has WEIGHT inside, so the most I can say is:
> > SE: 8f456e00's load_avg_contrib 118 = (its cfs_rq's runnable + blocked) / (tg->load_avg + 1) * tg->shares
> > 
> > The tg->shares is probably 1024 (at least 911). So we are just left with:
> > 
> > cfs_rq / tg = 11.5%
> 
> Yes, we also know that there is only one runnable task in the task group
> hierarchy and its contribution is 0. Hence the rest must be from
> non-runnable tasks belonging to some child group.

Agreed.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-10  6:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-30 14:30 [PATCH?] Livelock in pick_next_task_fair() / idle_balance() Rabin Vincent
2015-07-01  5:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-01 14:55   ` Rabin Vincent
2015-07-01 15:47     ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-01 20:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 23:25       ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-02  8:05         ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02  1:05           ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-02 10:25             ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-02 11:40             ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-07-02 19:37               ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-03  9:34                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-07-03 16:38                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-05 22:31                     ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-09 14:32                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-07-09 23:24                         ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-05 20:12                   ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-06 17:36                     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-07-07 11:17                       ` Rabin Vincent
2015-07-13 17:43                         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-07-09 13:53                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-07-09 22:34                       ` Yuyang Du [this message]
2015-07-02 10:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-02 11:44           ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-07-02 18:42             ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-03  4:42               ` Mike Galbraith
2015-07-03 16:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-05 22:11           ` Yuyang Du
2015-07-09  6:15             ` Stefan Ekenberg
2015-07-26 18:57             ` Yuyang Du
2015-08-03 17:05             ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: Avoid pulling all tasks in idle balancing tip-bot for Yuyang Du

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