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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with the NMI mess
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 22:52:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150723205207.GA3052@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwR8mHw=wm+Uecy0ERgrD7WbijBn9kj_ZAd47L4GyG5Xw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:38:33PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> >
> > 2. Forbid IRET inside NMIs.  Doable but maybe not that pretty.
> >
> > We haven't considered:
> >
> > 3. Forbid faults (other than MCE) inside NMI.
> 
> I'd really prefer #2. #3 depends on us getting many things right, and
> never introducing new cases in the future.
> 
> #2, in contrast, seems to be fairly localized. Yes, RF is an issue,
> but returning to user space with RF clear doesn't really seem to be
> all that problematic.

What's the worst case that can happen with RF cleared when returing
to user space ? My understanding is that it's just that we risk to
break again on an instruction that had a break point set and which
already triggered the breakpoint, right ?

If so the problem probably is whether there's a risk of looping again
without ever getting a chance to execute this instruction normally.
But if the NMIs don't bomb as fast as we can process them, at some
point the instruction should get a chance to be executed, so the
problem doesn't seem dramatic.

That makes me think that I have no idea what happens if we try to
step-trace "int 2", I don't even know if we pass through the NMI
handler.

Willy


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-23 20:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-23 20:21 Dealing with the NMI mess Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 20:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 20:49   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:31       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-23 21:46         ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:46           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:50             ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:48         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:50           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24  8:13               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24  9:02                 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 11:58                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 12:43                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 13:03                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 13:21                       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 13:30                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 13:33                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 14:31                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 14:59                           ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:16                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 15:26                               ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:30                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 15:33                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 18:29                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 18:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 19:05                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 19:55                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 20:22                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 20:51                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 21:07                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 21:08                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 15:41                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-30 21:22                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 21:58                                                 ` Brian Gerst
2015-07-30 22:59                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-07-31  4:22                                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31  5:11                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-31  7:51                                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31  8:03                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31  9:27                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31 10:25                                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31 10:26                                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31 10:32                                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-09-07  5:39                                                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07  7:42                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-07  8:19                                                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 10:19                                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-07 17:01                                                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 17:22                                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-07 19:30                                                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 21:56                                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-08 16:21                                                                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-07-24 23:53                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 15:34                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 15:49                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:48                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 16:02                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:08                     ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 16:31                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:06                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:25                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 17:21                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 17:10                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 17:20                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 15:54                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-24 17:21                     ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 20:52   ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2015-07-23 20:53     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:07       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:18       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:45       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:59           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 22:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 10:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 11:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-23 21:46   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 16:33 ` Raymond Jennings

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