public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Maciej Żenczykowski" <maze@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:51:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150831125139.GC31015@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150831060208.GA7093@gmail.com>

On 08/31, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > On 08/29, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > >
> > > So I'm wondering, is there any strong reason why we couldn't use a double linked
> > > list and still do FIFO and remove that silly linear list walking hack?
> >
> > This will obviously enlarge callback_head, and it is often embedded.
> > But this is minor.
> >
> > If we use a double linked list we can't do task_work_add() lockless.
> > So we will need another spinlock_t in task_struct. We can't use pi_lock.
>
> The fact that the O(N) overhead was measured in real apps to be in the
> milliseconds IMHO weakens cycle-level concerns about also having a spinlock next
> to the list head. (There's no additional cacheline bouncing concerns with the
> spinlock: the head of a LIFO list is essentially a bouncing cacheline.)

I agree. I just tried to explain that we need a bit more changes than
just s/callback_head/list_head/ in task_struct.

And. The fact that this O(N) overhead was measured means that we have
more overhead with offload-fput-to-exit_task_work which would be nice
to remove as well.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-31 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-29  2:42 [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee Eric Dumazet
2015-08-29  3:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-29  9:22   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-29 12:54     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-08-31  6:02       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-31 12:51         ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2015-08-29 12:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-08-29 13:57   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-08-29 14:11     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-08-29 17:08       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-31  5:22         ` yalin wang
2015-09-05  5:19           ` Al Viro
2015-08-31 12:44         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-05  5:12         ` Al Viro
2015-09-05  5:42           ` Al Viro
2015-09-05 20:46             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-31 12:05     ` change filp_close() to use __fput_sync() ? (Was: [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee) Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-05  5:35   ` [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee Al Viro
2015-09-07 12:27     ` [PATCH?] fput: don't abuse task_work_add() too much Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-07 13:49       ` [PATCH? v2] " Oleg Nesterov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-08-29 21:08 [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee George Spelvin
2015-08-31 13:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-08-31 15:21   ` George Spelvin

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20150831125139.GC31015@redhat.com \
    --to=oleg@redhat.com \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=eric.dumazet@gmail.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=maze@google.com \
    --cc=mingo@kernel.org \
    --cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox