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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Eric Dumazet" <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Maciej Żenczykowski" <maze@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 06:42:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150905054247.GE22011@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150905051232.GB22011@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Sat, Sep 05, 2015 at 06:12:34AM +0100, Al Viro wrote:

> First of all, we'd better not count on e.g. delayed fput() *NOT* doing
> task_work_add() - we still need to check if any new work had been added.
> After all, final close() might very well have done a final mntput()
> on a lazy-unmounted filesystem, possibly leaving us with fs shutdown via
> task_work_add().  And if that sucker e.g. closes a socket, well, we are
> back to closing an opened struct file, with task_work_add() etc.
> 
> I'm a bit nervious about filp_close() (that sucker is exported and widely
> abused), but close_files()... sure, shouldn't be a problem.  And yes,
> we can teach __close_fd() to do the same.  I really don't understand what's
> the benefit, though - it's about the case when we are closing the last
> descriptor for given opened file, so I would be rather surprised if slower
> path taken on the way out to userland was not lost in noise...

OK, having found the beginning of the thread, I understand what is being
attempted, but... why the hell bother with FIFO in the first place?  AFAICS,
task_work_add() uses in VFS (final fput() and final mntput() alike)
do not care about the FIFO at all.

Sure, some out-of-tree mer^H^Hodule might rely on that.  So what?

IMO, unless we have a good in-tree reason for insisting on FIFO, dropping it
is the most obvious solution...

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-05  5:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-29  2:42 [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee Eric Dumazet
2015-08-29  3:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-29  9:22   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-29 12:54     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-08-31  6:02       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-31 12:51         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-08-29 12:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-08-29 13:57   ` Eric Dumazet
2015-08-29 14:11     ` Eric Dumazet
2015-08-29 17:08       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-31  5:22         ` yalin wang
2015-09-05  5:19           ` Al Viro
2015-08-31 12:44         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-05  5:12         ` Al Viro
2015-09-05  5:42           ` Al Viro [this message]
2015-09-05 20:46             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-31 12:05     ` change filp_close() to use __fput_sync() ? (Was: [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee) Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-05  5:35   ` [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee Al Viro
2015-09-07 12:27     ` [PATCH?] fput: don't abuse task_work_add() too much Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-07 13:49       ` [PATCH? v2] " Oleg Nesterov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-08-29 21:08 [PATCH] task_work: remove fifo ordering guarantee George Spelvin
2015-08-31 13:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-08-31 15:21   ` George Spelvin

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