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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >> Linux Kernel Mailing List" 
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [4.2] commit d59cfc09c32 (sched, cgroup: replace signal_struct->group_rwsem with a global percpu_rwsem) causes regression for libvirt/kvm
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:38:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150915173836.GO4029@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55F84A6B.1010207@redhat.com>

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 06:42:19PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> 
> 
> On 15/09/2015 15:36, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> > I am wondering why the old code behaved in such fatal ways. Is there
> > some interaction between waiting for a reschedule in the
> > synchronize_sched writer and some fork code actually waiting for the
> > read side to get the lock together with some rescheduling going on
> > waiting for a lock that fork holds? lockdep does not give me an hints
> > so I have no clue :-(
> 
> It may just be consuming too much CPU usage.  kernel/rcu/tree.c warns
> about it:
> 
>  * if you are using synchronize_sched_expedited() in a loop, please
>  * restructure your code to batch your updates, and then use a single
>  * synchronize_sched() instead.
> 
> and you may remember that in KVM we switched from RCU to SRCU exactly to
> avoid userspace-controlled synchronize_rcu_expedited().
> 
> In fact, I would say that any userspace-controlled call to *_expedited()
> is a bug waiting to happen and a bad idea---because userspace can, with
> little effort, end up calling it in a loop.

Excellent points!

Other options in such situations include the following:

o	Rework so that the code uses call_rcu*() instead of *_expedited().

o	Maintain a per-task or per-CPU counter so that every so many
	*_expedited() invocations instead uses the non-expedited
	counterpart.  (For example, synchronize_rcu instead of
	synchronize_rcu_expedited().)

Note that synchronize_srcu_expedited() is less troublesome than are the
other *_expedited() functions, because synchronize_srcu_expedited() does
not inflict OS jitter on other CPUs.  This situation is being improved,
so that the other *_expedited() functions inflict less OS jitter and
(mostly) avoid inflicting OS jitter on nohz_full CPUs and idle CPUs (the
latter being important for battery-powered systems).  In addition, the
*_expedited() functions avoid hammering CPUs with N-squared OS jitter
in response to concurrent invocation from all CPUs because multiple
concurrent *_expedited() calls will be satisfied by a single expedited
grace-period operation.  Nevertheless, as Paolo points out, it is still
necessary to exercise caution when exposing synchronous grace periods
to userspace control.

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-15 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-15 12:05 [4.2] commit d59cfc09c32 (sched, cgroup: replace signal_struct->group_rwsem with a global percpu_rwsem) causes regression for libvirt/kvm Christian Borntraeger
2015-09-15 13:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-15 13:36   ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-09-15 13:53     ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-15 16:42     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-15 17:38       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2015-09-16  8:32         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-16  8:57           ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-09-16  9:12             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-16 12:22               ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-16 12:35                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-16 12:43                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-16 12:56                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-09-16 14:16                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-16 14:19                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-15 21:11       ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-09-15 21:26         ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-15 21:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-15 22:28             ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-15 23:38               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-16  1:24                 ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-16  4:35                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-09-16 11:06                     ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-16  7:44                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-09-16 10:58                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-09-16 11:03                       ` Tejun Heo
2015-09-16 11:50                         ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-09-16 15:55 ` [PATCH cgroup/for-4.3-fixes 1/2] Revert "cgroup: simplify threadgroup locking" Tejun Heo
2015-09-16 15:56   ` [PATCH cgroup/for-4.3-fixes 2/2] Revert "sched, cgroup: replace signal_struct->group_rwsem with a global percpu_rwsem" Tejun Heo
2015-09-16 17:00   ` [PATCH cgroup/for-4.3-fixes 1/2] Revert "cgroup: simplify threadgroup locking" Oleg Nesterov
2015-09-16 18:45   ` Christian Borntraeger

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