From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754331AbbJATlH (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:41:07 -0400 Received: from e36.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.154]:37105 "EHLO e36.co.us.ibm.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750923AbbJATlE (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:41:04 -0400 X-IBM-Helo: d03dlp01.boulder.ibm.com X-IBM-MailFrom: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com X-IBM-RcptTo: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:41:00 -0700 From: "Paul E. McKenney" To: Peter Zijlstra Cc: Boqun Feng , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, Ingo Molnar , Benjamin Herrenschmidt , Paul Mackerras , Michael Ellerman , Thomas Gleixner , Will Deacon , Waiman Long Subject: Re: [RFC v2 4/7] powerpc: atomic: Implement xchg_* and atomic{,64}_xchg_* variants Message-ID: <20151001194100.GL4043@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Reply-To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com References: <20151001182309.GY3816@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151001182309.GY3816@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 15100119-0021-0000-0000-00001352AC3D Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 08:23:09PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > On Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 11:03:01AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 07:13:04PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 08:09:09AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 01, 2015 at 02:24:40PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > > > > > > > I must say I'm somewhat surprised by this level of relaxation, I had > > > > > expected to only loose SMP barriers, not the program order ones. > > > > > > > > > > Is there a good argument for this? > > > > > > > > Yes, when we say "relaxed", we really mean relaxed. ;-) > > > > > > > > Both the CPU and the compiler are allowed to reorder around relaxed > > > > operations. > > > > > > Is this documented somewhere, because I completely missed this part. > > > > Well, yes, these need to be added to the documentation. I am assuming > > that Will is looking to have the same effect as C11 memory_order_relaxed, > > which is relaxed in this sense. If he has something else in mind, > > he needs to tell us what it is and why. ;-) > > I suspect he is; but I'm not _that_ up to date on the whole C11 stuff. Lucky you! ;-) Thanx, Paul