From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/2] bpf: enable non-root eBPF programs
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:20:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151006082048.GA18287@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <561380BB.4040506@iogearbox.net>
* Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> wrote:
> On 10/06/2015 09:13 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> >* Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On 10/5/15 3:14 PM, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
> >>>One scenario that comes to mind ... what happens when there are kernel
> >>>pointers stored in skb->cb[] (either from the current layer or an old
> >>>one from a different layer that the skb went through previously, but
> >>>which did not get overwritten)?
> >>>
> >>>Socket filters could read a portion of skb->cb[] also when unprived and
> >>>leak that out through maps. I think the verifier doesn't catch that,
> >>>right?
> >>
> >>grrr. indeed. previous layer before sk_filter() can leave junk in there.
> >
> >Could this be solved by activating zeroing/sanitizing of this data if there's an
> >active BPF function around that can access that socket?
>
> I think this check could only be done in sk_filter() for testing these
> conditions (unprivileged user + access to cb area), so it would need to
> happen from outside a native eBPF program. :/
Yes, the kernel (with code running outside of any eBPF program) would guarantee
that those data fields are zeroed/sanitized, if there's an eBPF program that is
attached to that socket.
> [...] Also classic BPF would then need to test for it, since a socket filter
> doesn't really know whether native eBPF is loaded there or a classic-to-eBPF
> transformed one, and classic never makes use of this. Anyway, it could be done
> by adding a bit flag cb_access:1 to the bpf_prog, set it during eBPF
> verification phase, and test it inside sk_filter() if I see it correctly.
That could also be done in an unlikely() branch, to keep the cost to the non-eBPF
case near zero.
> The reason is that this sanitizing must only be done in the 'top-level' program
> that is run from sk_filter() _directly_, because a user at any time could decide
> to put an already loaded eBPF fd into a tail call map. And cb[] is then used to
> pass args/state around between two programs, thus it cannot be unconditionally
> cleared from within the program. The association to a socket filter
> (SO_ATTACH_BPF) happens at a later time after a native eBPF program has already
> been loaded via bpf(2).
So zeroing tends to be very cheap and it could also be beneficial to performance
in terms of bringing the cacheline into the CPU cache. But I really don't know the
filter code so I'm just handwaving.
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-06 8:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-10-05 20:48 [PATCH net-next 0/2] bpf: unprivileged Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-05 20:48 ` [PATCH net-next 1/2] bpf: enable non-root eBPF programs Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-05 21:00 ` Kees Cook
2015-10-05 21:12 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-05 21:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-05 21:32 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-05 22:02 ` Kees Cook
2015-10-06 0:28 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-05 22:14 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-06 0:51 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-06 7:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-06 8:05 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-06 8:20 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-10-06 8:39 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-06 17:50 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-06 17:56 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-10-06 18:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-07 6:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-06 19:26 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-06 18:03 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-06 12:45 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-07 21:20 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-07 22:07 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-07 22:22 ` Kees Cook
2015-10-07 23:49 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-08 6:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-08 6:30 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-08 17:42 ` Kees Cook
2015-10-08 2:29 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-05 20:48 ` [PATCH net-next 2/2] bpf: charge user for creation of BPF maps and programs Alexei Starovoitov
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