From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753701AbbJSQYe (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:24:34 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([198.137.202.9]:48152 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750726AbbJSQYd (ORCPT ); Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:24:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 18:24:23 +0200 From: Peter Zijlstra To: Catalin Marinas Cc: Ingo Molnar , "Paul E. McKenney" , Will Deacon , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Oleg Nesterov , Linus Torvalds , Andrew Morton Subject: Re: Q: schedule() and implied barriers on arm64 Message-ID: <20151019162423.GP3816@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20151016151830.GZ3816@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20151016160422.GQ3910@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20151016161608.GA3816@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20151016190648.GC3816@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20151019070604.GA17855@gmail.com> <20151019152108.GC11226@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20151019152108.GC11226@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2012-12-30) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 04:21:08PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote: > On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 09:06:05AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > > > > In any case, its all moot now, since Paul no longer requires schedule() to imply > > > a full barrier. > > > > > > [...] > > > > Nevertheless from a least-surprise POV it might be worth guaranteeing it, because > > I bet there's tons of code that assumes that schedule() is a heavy operation and > > it's such an easy mistake to make. Since we are so close to having that guarantee, > > we might as well codify it? > > FWIW, the arm64 __switch_to() has a heavy barrier (DSB) but the reason > for this was to cope with potentially interrupted cache or TLB > maintenance (which require a DSB on the same CPU) and thread migration > to another CPU. Right, but there's a path through schedule() that does not pass through __switch_to(); when we pick the current task as the most eligible task and next == prev. In that case there really only is the wmb, a spin lock, an atomic op and a spin unlock (and a whole bunch of 'normal' code of course).