From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
mingo@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net,
mhocko@kernel.org, dhowells@redhat.com,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] locking: Introduce smp_cond_acquire()
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:25:35 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151112212535.GB23979@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151112152042.GC3972@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
[sorry for the late reply, I'm away from my desk until Monday since I'm
busy with family issues]
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 07:20:42AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 04:08:22PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 07:01:49AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 03:50:13PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 06:40:04AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > I cannot resist suggesting that any lock that interacts with
> > > > > spin_unlock_wait() must have all relevant acquisitions followed by
> > > > > smp_mb__after_unlock_lock().
> > > >
> > > > Ha! that would certainly help here. But it would mean that argh64v8 also
> > > > needs to define that, even though that is already RCsc.
> > >
> > > Maybe. It could also be that arm64 avoids the need somehow, for example
> > > via their RCsc behavior. Their memory model is similar to PPC, but not
> > > exactly the same.
> > >
> > > Will?
> >
> > So when I spoke to Will earlier today, we agreed that LDAXR+STXR is
> > susceptible to the same problem. The STXR will allow loads to pass up
> > over that store.
> >
> > On v8.1, which is using LDADDA, this is not an issue, for as the ACQUIRE
> > is part of the LOAD, the Read-Modify-Write is indivisible as a whole,
> > and therefore a subsequent load has nothing to pass over.
>
> So one approach required for one level of hardware and another for the
> next level. I can relate to that all too well... :-/
Just to confirm, Peter's correct in that Boqun's litmus test is permitted
by the arm64 architecture when the ll/sc spinlock definitions are in use.
However, I don't think that strengthening smp_mb__after_unlock_lock is
the right way to solve this. I'll reply to the other part of the thread...
Will
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-11-12 21:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-02 13:29 [PATCH 0/4] scheduler ordering bits Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 13:29 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: Better document the try_to_wake_up() barriers Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-04 0:09 ` Byungchul Park
2015-12-04 0:58 ` Byungchul Park
2015-11-02 13:29 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched: Document Program-Order guarantees Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 20:27 ` Paul Turner
2015-11-02 20:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 22:09 ` Paul Turner
2015-11-02 22:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-20 10:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-20 14:08 ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-20 14:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-20 14:21 ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-20 19:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 13:29 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched: Fix a race in try_to_wake_up() vs schedule() Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 13:29 ` [PATCH 4/4] locking: Introduce smp_cond_acquire() Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 13:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 17:43 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-03 1:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-03 1:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-02 17:42 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-02 18:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-02 18:37 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-02 19:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-02 19:57 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-02 20:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 21:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-03 1:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-03 19:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-04 3:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-04 4:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-04 12:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-02 20:36 ` David Howells
2015-11-02 20:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-02 21:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-03 17:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-03 18:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 9:39 ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-11 10:34 ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-11 19:53 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-12 13:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-11 12:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-11 19:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-11 21:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-12 7:14 ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-12 10:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 15:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-12 14:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 14:49 ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-12 15:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 21:53 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-12 14:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 15:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 15:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 15:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 21:25 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2015-11-12 15:18 ` Boqun Feng
2015-11-12 18:38 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-12 18:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 19:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-11-12 18:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 21:33 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-12 23:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-16 13:58 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-12 18:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-12 22:09 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-16 15:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-16 16:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-16 16:24 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-16 16:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-16 16:46 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-16 17:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-16 21:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-11-17 11:51 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-17 21:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-18 11:25 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-19 18:01 ` Will Deacon
2015-11-20 10:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
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