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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
To: Matt Fleming <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Kosuke Tatsukawa <tatsu@ab.jp.nec.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-efi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] x86: Fix kernel panic when booting with XD disabled in uEFI firmware
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 15:19:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151208141946.GD27180@pd.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151208122557.GA2518@codeblueprint.co.uk>

On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 12:25:57PM +0000, Matt Fleming wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Dec, at 11:10:43PM, Kosuke Tatsukawa wrote:
> > 
> > Thank you pointing that out.
> > 
> > linux-4.4-rc3 booted without a problem on a real server even with XD
> > turned off by the firmware.  I didn't notice this before because I was

The aforementioned patch reenables NX.

> Borislav, what do you think about stripping PAGE_NX from 'page_flags'
> in kernel_map_pages_in_pgd() if NX isn't supported, rather than
> returning EINVAL? At least that way EFI runtime services would still
> work.

I guess we can - I mean, I don't see what can go wrong more when
allowing the kernel to execute even NX UEFI regions. Maybe easier
generation of "gadgets" in the ROP sense ...

On a related node, I'm very sceptical of the existence of this "noexec"
chicken bit, if you ask me. It is a really bad idea, security-wise, to
disable NX. Is there even a valid use case to disable NX?

Because if not, I'd vote for removing that chicken bit or at least
taining the kernel with

	add_taint(TAINT_USER_MORON, ... );

Kees, has this NX disabling practice come up in the past, per chance... ?

Thanks.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

ECO tip #101: Trim your mails when you reply.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-08 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-03 23:58 [PATCH 1/2] x86: Fix kernel panic when booting with XD disabled in uEFI firmware Kosuke Tatsukawa
2015-12-04 16:40 ` Matt Fleming
2015-12-07 23:10   ` Kosuke Tatsukawa
2015-12-08 12:25     ` Matt Fleming
2015-12-08 14:19       ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2015-12-08 20:30         ` Kees Cook
2015-12-08 20:39           ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-08 20:54             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-15  0:07             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-08 20:56           ` Borislav Petkov

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