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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>
Cc: "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@amacapital.net>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"Denys Vlasenko" <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/12] x86/entry/64: Always run ptregs-using syscalls on the slow path
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 19:56:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151208185608.GA3004@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMzpN2jRGcfYOqcjxPvd+ufXK=HHU+dfUftQGnLVmohBPd6o6Q@mail.gmail.com>


* Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com> wrote:

> > We could adjust it a bit and check whether we're in C land (by checking rsp 
> > for ts) and jump into the slow path if we aren't, but I'm not sure this is a 
> > huge win.  It does save some rodata space by avoiding duplicating the table.
> 
> The syscall table is huge.  545*8 bytes, over a full page. Duplicating it for 
> just a few different entries is wasteful.

Note that what matters more is cache footprint, not pure size: 1K of RAM overhead 
for something as fundamental as system calls is trivial cost.

So the questions to ask are along these lines:

 - what is the typical locality of access (do syscall numbers cluster in time and 
   space)

 - how frequently would the two tables be accessed (is one accessed less 
   frequently than the other?)

 - subsequently how does the effective cache footprint change with the 
   duplication?

it might still end up not being worth it - but it's not the RAM cost that is the 
main factor IMHO.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-08 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-07 21:51 [PATCH 00/12] x86: Rewrite 64-bit syscall code Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 01/12] selftests/x86: Extend Makefile to allow 64-bit only tests Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-08  9:34   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-09 18:55     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-09 19:11   ` Shuah Khan
2015-12-09 19:22     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-09 19:58       ` Shuah Khan
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 02/12] selftests/x86: Add check_initial_reg_state Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-08  9:54   ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-09 18:56     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-09 19:09       ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-09 19:20         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-09 19:28           ` Borislav Petkov
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 03/12] x86/syscalls: Refactor syscalltbl.sh Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 04/12] x86/syscalls: Remove __SYSCALL_COMMON and __SYSCALL_X32 Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 05/12] x86/syscalls: Move compat syscall entry handling into syscalltbl.sh Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 06/12] x86/syscalls: Add syscall entry qualifiers Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 07/12] x86/entry/64: Always run ptregs-using syscalls on the slow path Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-08  0:50   ` Brian Gerst
2015-12-08  0:54     ` Brian Gerst
2015-12-08  1:12       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-08 13:07         ` Brian Gerst
2015-12-08 18:56           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-12-08 21:51             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-09  4:43   ` Brian Gerst
2015-12-09  5:45     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-09  6:21       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-09 12:52         ` Brian Gerst
2015-12-09 13:02         ` [PATCH] x86/entry/64: Remove duplicate syscall table for fast path Brian Gerst
2015-12-09 18:53           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-09 21:08             ` Brian Gerst
2015-12-09 21:15               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-09 23:50                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-10  5:42                   ` Brian Gerst
2015-12-10  5:54                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-09 19:30           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 08/12] x86/entry/64: Call all native slow-path syscalls with full pt-regs Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 09/12] x86/entry/64: Stop using int_ret_from_sys_call in ret_from_fork Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 10/12] x86/entry/64: Migrate the 64-bit syscall slow path to C Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 11/12] x86/entry/32: Change INT80 to be an interrupt gate Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-01  1:45   ` Rusty Russell
2016-04-01  7:40     ` [tip:x86/urgent] lguest, x86/entry/32: Fix handling of guest syscalls using interrupt gates tip-bot for Rusty Russell
2015-12-07 21:51 ` [PATCH 12/12] x86/entry: Do enter_from_user_mode with IRQs off Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-07 22:55 ` [PATCH 00/12] x86: Rewrite 64-bit syscall code Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-08  4:42   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-12-08  5:42     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-08  7:00       ` Ingo Molnar

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