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From: Andrew Vagin <avagin@virtuozzo.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>, David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Cyrill Gorcunov" <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
	"Roger Luethi" <rl@hellgate.ch>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	"Pavel Odintsov" <pavel.odintsov@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/24] kernel: add a netlink interface to get information about processes (v2)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 11:05:39 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151214080538.GC4112@odin.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1583220.Fp5vNj67Du@wuerfel>

On Fri, Dec 04, 2015 at 12:43:29AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thursday 03 December 2015 15:20:30 Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > * Netlink is designed for such type of workloads. It allows to expand
> > >   the interface and save backward compatibility. It allows to generates
> > >   packets with a different set of parameters.
> > > * If we use a file descriptor, we can create it and decrease
> > >   capabilities of the current process. It's a good feature which will be
> > >   unavailable if we decide to create a system call.
> > 
> > If this is actually a real goal and it matters, then I'd suggest doing
> > it right.  Make a way to create an fd that represents a pidns and,
> > specifically, the right to query non-secret properties of the
> > processes in the pidns.
> 
> My first thought about doing an interface here was to create a virtual
> file system that can be queried rather than using netlink, but then I
> realized that the idea was to avoid procfs ;-)

No, we doesn't have an idea to avoid using of procfs. The idea is to
create a new interace to get information about tasks, which will work
faster and will be more convenient for using from applications.

> 
> More seriously, maybe the answer is to have a transaction file in
> procfs itself. Procfs already knows about namespaces, so adding
> a /proc/task-diag file as the entry point into the kernel could
> get that out of the way.
> 
> The simple_transaction infrastructure that we have is limited to
> a little under a page for the total data size, but something similar
> could be used.

Thank you for the idea.
> 
> 	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-14  8:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-06  8:47 [PATCH 0/24] kernel: add a netlink interface to get information about processes (v2) Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 01/24] kernel: define taststats commands in the one place Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 02/24] kernel: add a netlink interface to get information about tasks (v2) Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 03/24] kernel: make taskstats available from all net namespaces Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 04/24] kernel: move next_tgid from fs/proc Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 05/24] task_diag: add ability to get information about all tasks Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 06/24] task_diag: add ability to split per-task data on a few netlink messages Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 07/24] task_diag: add a new group to get process credentials Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 08/24] proc: pick out a function to iterate task children Andrey Vagin
2015-07-14 18:02   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-07-17 15:57     ` Andrew Vagin
2015-07-18 21:22       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 09/24] proc: move task_next_child() from fs/proc Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 10/24] task_diag: add ability to dump children (v2) Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 11/24] task_diag: add a new group to get task statistics Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 12/24] task_diag: add a new group to get tasks memory mappings (v2) Andrey Vagin
2015-07-14 18:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-07-15  2:02     ` David Ahern
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 13/24] task_diag: shows memory consumption for " Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 14/24] task_diag: add a marcos to enumirate memory mappings Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 15/24] proc: give task_struct instead of pid into first_tid Andrey Vagin
2015-07-14 18:11   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 16/24] proc: move first_tid and next_tid out of proc Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 17/24] task_diag: add ability to dump theads Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 18/24] task_diag: add ability to handle one task in a continious mode Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 19/24] task_diag: Add option to dump all threads for all tasks Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 20/24] task_diag: Only add VMAs for thread_group leader Andrey Vagin
2015-07-14 17:47   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-07-15  2:01     ` David Ahern
2015-07-15 13:31       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 21/24] task diag: Add support for TGID attribute Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 22/24] Documentation: add documentation for task_diag Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 23/24] selftest: check the task_diag functinonality Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06  8:47 ` [PATCH 24/24] task_diag: Enhance fork tool to spawn threads Andrey Vagin
2015-07-06 17:10 ` [PATCH 0/24] kernel: add a netlink interface to get information about processes (v2) Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 15:43   ` Andrew Vagin
2015-07-07 15:56     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 16:17       ` David Ahern
2015-07-07 16:24         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 16:41           ` David Ahern
2015-07-08 16:10       ` Andrew Vagin
2015-07-08 17:39         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-08 22:49           ` Andrey Vagin
2015-07-08 23:48             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 16:25     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2015-07-07 16:27       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-07 16:56         ` David Ahern
2015-11-24 15:18 ` Andrew Vagin
2015-12-03 23:20   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-03 23:43     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-14  8:05       ` Andrew Vagin [this message]
2015-12-14  7:52     ` Andrew Vagin
2015-12-14 22:38       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-15 15:53         ` Andrew Vagin
2015-12-15 16:43           ` Andy Lutomirski

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