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From: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@lge.com>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@ezchip.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/4] sched: Upload nohz full CPU load on task enqueue/dequeue
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:03:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160119170317.GC5317@lerouge> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160119131708.GF6344@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 02:17:08PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 05:01:31PM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > The full nohz CPU load is currently accounted on tick restart only.
> > But there are a few issues with this model:
> > 
> > _ On tick restart, if cpu_load[0] doesn't contain the load of the actual
> >   tickless load that just ran, we are going to account a wrong value.
> >   And it is very likely to be so given that cpu_load[0] doesn't have
> >   an opportunity to be updated between tick stop and tick restart.
> > 
> > _ If the runqueue had updates that didn't trigger a tick restart, we
> >   are going to miss those CPU load changes.
> > 
> > A solution to fix this is to update the CPU load everytime we enqueue
> > or dequeue a task in the fair runqueue and more than a jiffy occured
> > since the last update.
> 
> Would not a much better solution be to do this remotely instead of from
> one of the hottest functions in the scheduler?

The problem with doing this remotely is that we can miss past cpu loads if
there was several enqueue/dequeue operations happening while tickless.

For example if CPU 1 runs sched entity A with a load of 5 (purely theoric)
for 5 sec then it sleeps, entity B runs with a load of 1 and then CPU 2 updates
the load of CPU 1 remotely. cpu_load[0] will be accurate because it's the current
load of CPU 1 (which is the load of entity B), but the other indexes won't take
the decayed load of entity A into account.

Now we can indeed remove the queue time local update and only rely on remote
updates when needed if we can live with a light precision on target_load() and
source_load().

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-19 17:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-13 16:01 [RFC PATCH 0/4] sched: Improve cpu load accounting with nohz Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-13 16:01 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: Don't account tickless CPU load on tick Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-19 13:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-19 16:22     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-19 18:56       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-19 22:33         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20  5:43           ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-20 10:26             ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-28 16:01               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-29  9:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-01 10:05                   ` Byungchul Park
2016-02-01 10:09                     ` [PATCH] sched: calculate sched_clock_cpu without tick handling during nohz Byungchul Park
2016-02-01 10:34                     ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: Don't account tickless CPU load on tick Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-01 23:51                       ` Byungchul Park
2016-02-02  0:50                       ` Byungchul Park
2016-02-01  6:33               ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-20  8:42     ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-20 17:36       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-22  8:40       ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-13 16:01 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched: Consolidate nohz CPU load update code Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-14  2:30   ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-19 13:13     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-20  0:51       ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-14  5:18   ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-19 13:13     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-19 16:49     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20  1:41       ` Byungchul Park
2016-02-29 11:14   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: " tip-bot for Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-13 16:01 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] sched: Move cpu load stats functions above fair queue callbacks Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-13 16:01 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] sched: Upload nohz full CPU load on task enqueue/dequeue Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-19 13:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-19 17:03     ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2016-01-20  9:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-20 14:54         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 15:11           ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-20 15:19             ` Christoph Lameter
2016-01-20 16:52               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 16:45             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 16:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-20 17:21             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 18:25               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-21 13:25                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20  9:03   ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-20 14:31     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 14:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-20 16:40         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 16:42           ` Christoph Lameter
2016-01-20 16:47             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-14 21:19 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] sched: Improve cpu load accounting with nohz Dietmar Eggemann
2016-01-14 21:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-14 22:23     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-01-15  7:07       ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-15 16:56         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-01-18  0:23           ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-19 13:04           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-20  0:48             ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-20 13:04               ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-02-29 11:14         ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: Avoid using decay_load_missed() with a negative value tip-bot for Byungchul Park

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