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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >> Linux Kernel Mailing List" 
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: regression 4.4: deadlock in with cgroup percpu_rwsem
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:51:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160126145157.GA31177@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160125193836.GH3628@mtj.duckdns.org>

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 02:38:36PM -0500, Tejun Heo wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 09:49:42AM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > FYI, my use case was also related to percpu-ref.  The percpu ref API
> > is unfortunately really hard to use and will almost always involve
> > a work queue due to the complex interaction between percpu_ref_kill
> > and percpu_ref_exit.  One thing that would help a lot of callers would
> 
> That's interesting.  Can you please elaborate on how kill and exit
> interact to make things complex?

That we need to first call kill to tear down the reference, then we get
a release callback which is in the calling context of the last
percpu_ref_put, but will need to call percpu_ref_exit from process context
again.  This means if any percpu_ref_put is from non-process context
we will always need a work_struct or similar to schedule the final
percpu_ref_exit.  Except when..

> > be a percpu_ref_exit_sync that kills the ref and waits for all references
> > to go away synchronously.
> 
> That shouldn't be difficult to implement.  One minor concern is that
> it's almost guaranteed that there will be cases where the
> synchronicity is exposed to userland.  Anyways, can you please
> describe the use case?

We use this completion scheme where the percpu_ref_exit is done from
the same context as the percpu_ref_kill which previously waits for
the last reference drop.  But for these cases exposing the synchronicity
to the caller (including userland) actually is intentional.

My use case is a new storage target, broadly similar to the SCSI target,
which happens to exhibit the same behavior.  In that case we only want
to return from the teardown function when all I/O on a 'queue' of sorts
has finished, for example during module removal.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-26 14:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-14 11:19 regression 4.4: deadlock in with cgroup percpu_rwsem Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-14 13:38 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-14 14:04 ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-01-14 14:08   ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-14 14:27     ` Nikolay Borisov
2016-01-14 17:15       ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-14 19:56 ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-15  7:30   ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-15 15:13     ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-18 18:32       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-18 18:48         ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-19  9:55           ` Heiko Carstens
2016-01-19 19:36             ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-19 19:38               ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-20  7:07                 ` Heiko Carstens
2016-01-20 10:15                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-20 10:30                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-20 10:47                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-20 15:30                         ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-20 16:04                           ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-20 16:49                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-20 16:56                               ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-23  2:03                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-01-25  8:49                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-01-25 19:38                               ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-26 14:51                                 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2016-01-26 15:28                                   ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-26 16:41                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-01-20 10:53                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-21  8:23                         ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-21  9:27                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-15 16:40     ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-19 17:18       ` [PATCH cgroup/for-4.5-fixes] cpuset: make mm migration asynchronous Tejun Heo
2016-01-22 14:24         ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-22 15:22           ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-22 15:45             ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-01-22 15:47               ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-22 15:23         ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-21 20:31     ` [PATCH 1/2] cgroup: make sure a parent css isn't offlined before its children Tejun Heo
2016-01-21 20:32       ` [PATCH 2/2] cgroup: make sure a parent css isn't freed " Tejun Heo
2016-01-22 15:45         ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
2016-01-21 21:24       ` [PATCH 1/2] cgroup: make sure a parent css isn't offlined " Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-21 21:28         ` Tejun Heo
2016-01-22  8:18           ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-02-29 11:13         ` [tip:sched/core] sched/cgroup: Fix cgroup entity load tracking tear-down tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-22 15:45       ` [PATCH v2 1/2] cgroup: make sure a parent css isn't offlined before its children Tejun Heo

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