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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@imgtec.com>
Cc: "David Daney" <ddaney@caviumnetworks.com>,
	"Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Ralf Baechle" <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paul McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] mips: Fix arch_spin_unlock()
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:43:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160127114348.GF2390@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1601200131240.5958@tp.orcam.me.uk>

Hi Maciej,

Thanks for digging all this up.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 09:57:24AM +0000, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2015, David Daney wrote:
> 
> > > > Certainly we can load up the code with "SYNC" all over the place, but
> > > > it will kill performance on SMP systems.  So, my vote would be to make
> > > > it as light weight as possible, but no lighter.  That will mean
> > > > inventing the proper barrier primitives.
> > > 
> > > It seems to me that the proper barrier here is a "SYNC 18" aka
> > > SYNC_RELEASE instruction, at least on CPUs that implement that variant.
> 
>  For the record, we've had "cooked" aliases in the toolchain for a short 
> while now -- since Sep 2010 or binutils 2.21 -- so for readability you can 
> actually use `sync_release' in your source code rather than obscure `sync 
> 18' (of course you could define a macro instead, but there's no need now), 
> and disassembly will show the "cooked" mnemonic too.
> 
>  Although Documentation/Changes still lists binutils 2.12 as the minimum, 
> so perhaps using macros is indeed the way to go now, at least for the time 
> being.
> 
> > Yes, unfortunately very few CPUs implement that.  It is an instruction that
> > MIPS invented only recently, so older CPUs need a different solution.
> 
>  Hmm, it looks to me we might actually be safe, although as often the 
> situation seems more complicated than it had to be.

[... trim ISA archaeology ...]

>  Overall I think it should be safe after all to use SYNC_RELEASE and other 
> modern lightweight barriers uncondtionally under the assumption that 
> architecture was meant to remain backward compatible.  Even though it 
> might be possible someone would implement unusual semantics for the then 
> undefined `stype' values, I highly doubt it as it would be extra effort 
> and hardware logic space for no gain.  We could try and reach architecture 
> overseers to double-check whether the `stype' encodings, somewhat 
> irregularly distributed, were indeed defined in a manner so as not to 
> clash with values implementers chose to use before rev. 2.61 of the 
> architecture specification.

Do you know whether a SYNC 18 (RELEASE) followed in program order by a
SYNC 17 (ACQUIRE) creates a full barrier (i.e. something like SYNC 16)?

If not, you may need to implement smp_mb__after_unlock_lock for RCU
to ensure globally transitive unlock->lock ordering should you decide
to relax your locking barriers.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-27 11:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-12 12:31 [RFC][PATCH] mips: Fix arch_spin_unlock() Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 12:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 13:31 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 14:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 14:50   ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 14:59     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 17:46 ` David Daney
2015-11-12 18:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 18:13   ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 18:17     ` David Daney
2016-01-27  9:57       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-01-27 11:43         ` Will Deacon [this message]
2016-01-27 12:41           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-01-28  1:11             ` Boqun Feng
2016-01-27 14:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-27 15:21             ` Will Deacon
2016-01-27 23:38               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-01-28  9:57                 ` Will Deacon
2016-01-28 22:31                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-01-29  9:59                     ` Will Deacon
2016-01-29 10:22                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-01 13:56                         ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02  3:54                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02  5:19                             ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02  6:44                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02  8:07                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02  8:19                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02  9:34                                     ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 17:30                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 17:51                                         ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 18:06                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 19:30                                             ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 19:55                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-03 19:13                                                 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-03  8:33                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 13:32                                                 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-03 19:03                                                   ` Will Deacon
2016-02-09 11:23                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-09 11:42                                                       ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 12:02                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 17:56                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 22:30                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 14:49                                     ` Ralf Baechle
2016-02-02 14:54                                       ` Måns Rullgård
2016-02-02 14:58                                         ` Ralf Baechle
2016-02-02 15:51                                           ` Måns Rullgård
2016-02-02 17:23                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-02 22:38                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 11:45                               ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 12:12                                 ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 12:20                                   ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 13:18                                     ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 17:12                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 17:37                                       ` Will Deacon

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