From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: "Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@imgtec.com>,
"David Daney" <ddaney@caviumnetworks.com>,
"Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>,
"Ralf Baechle" <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
boqun.feng@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] mips: Fix arch_spin_unlock()
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:59:59 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160129095958.GA4541@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160128223131.GV4503@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Hi Paul,
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:31:31PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:57:19AM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 03:38:36PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 03:21:58PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Yes, sorry for the shorthand:
> >
> > - Each paragraph is a separate thread
> > - Wx=1 means WRITE_ONCE(x, 1), Rx=1 means READ_ONCE(x) returns 1
> > - WxRel means smp_store_release(x,1), RxAcq=1 means smp_load_acquire(x)
> > returns 1
> > - Everything is initially zero
> >
> > > > and I suppose a variant of that:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wx=1
> > > > WyRel=1
> > > >
> > > > RyAcq=1
> > > > Wz=1
> > > >
> > > > Rz=1
> > > > <address dependency>
> > > > Rx=0
> > >
> > > Agreed, this would be needed as well, along with the read-read and
> > > read-write variants. I picked the write-read version (Will's first
> > > test above) because write-read reordering is the most likely on
> > > hardware that I am aware of.
> >
> > Question: if you replaced "Wz=1" with "WzRel=1" in my second test, would
> > it then be forbidden?
>
> On Power, yes. I would guess on ARM as well.
Indeed.
> For Linux in general, this is a question: How strict do we want to be
> about matching the type of write with the corresponding read? My
> default approach is to initially be quite strict and loosen as needed.
> Here "quite strict" might mean requiring an rcu_assign_pointer() for
> the write and rcu_dereference() for the read, as opposed to (say)
> ACCESS_ONCE() for the read. (I am guessing that this would be too
> tight, but it makes a good example.)
>
> Thoughts?
That sounds broadly sensible to me and allows rcu_assign_pointer and
rcu_dereference to be used as drop-in replacements for release/acquire
where local transitivity isn't required. However, I don't think we can
rule out READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE interactions as they seem to be used
already in things like the osq_lock (albeit without the address
dependency).
Will
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-01-29 10:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-11-12 12:31 [RFC][PATCH] mips: Fix arch_spin_unlock() Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 12:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 13:31 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 14:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 14:50 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 14:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 17:46 ` David Daney
2015-11-12 18:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 18:13 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 18:17 ` David Daney
2016-01-27 9:57 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-01-27 11:43 ` Will Deacon
2016-01-27 12:41 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-01-28 1:11 ` Boqun Feng
2016-01-27 14:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-27 15:21 ` Will Deacon
2016-01-27 23:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-01-28 9:57 ` Will Deacon
2016-01-28 22:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-01-29 9:59 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2016-01-29 10:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-01 13:56 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 3:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 5:19 ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 6:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 8:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 8:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 9:34 ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 17:51 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 18:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 19:30 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 19:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-03 19:13 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-03 8:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 13:32 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-03 19:03 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-09 11:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-09 11:42 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 12:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 22:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 14:49 ` Ralf Baechle
2016-02-02 14:54 ` Måns Rullgård
2016-02-02 14:58 ` Ralf Baechle
2016-02-02 15:51 ` Måns Rullgård
2016-02-02 17:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-02 22:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 11:45 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 12:12 ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 12:20 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 13:18 ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 17:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 17:37 ` Will Deacon
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