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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: "Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@imgtec.com>,
	"David Daney" <ddaney@caviumnetworks.com>,
	"Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>,
	"Ralf Baechle" <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] mips: Fix arch_spin_unlock()
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:59:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160129095958.GA4541@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160128223131.GV4503@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

Hi Paul,

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 02:31:31PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:57:19AM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 03:38:36PM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 03:21:58PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > Yes, sorry for the shorthand:
> > 
> >   - Each paragraph is a separate thread
> >   - Wx=1 means WRITE_ONCE(x, 1), Rx=1 means READ_ONCE(x) returns 1
> >   - WxRel means smp_store_release(x,1), RxAcq=1 means smp_load_acquire(x)
> >     returns 1
> >   - Everything is initially zero
> > 
> > > > and I suppose a variant of that:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Wx=1
> > > > WyRel=1
> > > > 
> > > > RyAcq=1
> > > > Wz=1
> > > > 
> > > > Rz=1
> > > > <address dependency>
> > > > Rx=0
> > > 
> > > Agreed, this would be needed as well, along with the read-read and
> > > read-write variants.  I picked the write-read version (Will's first
> > > test above) because write-read reordering is the most likely on
> > > hardware that I am aware of.
> > 
> > Question: if you replaced "Wz=1" with "WzRel=1" in my second test, would
> > it then be forbidden?
> 
> On Power, yes.  I would guess on ARM as well.

Indeed.

> For Linux in general, this is a question: How strict do we want to be
> about matching the type of write with the corresponding read?  My
> default approach is to initially be quite strict and loosen as needed.
> Here "quite strict" might mean requiring an rcu_assign_pointer() for
> the write and rcu_dereference() for the read, as opposed to (say)
> ACCESS_ONCE() for the read.  (I am guessing that this would be too
> tight, but it makes a good example.)
> 
> Thoughts?

That sounds broadly sensible to me and allows rcu_assign_pointer and
rcu_dereference to be used as drop-in replacements for release/acquire
where local transitivity isn't required. However, I don't think we can
rule out READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE interactions as they seem to be used
already in things like the osq_lock (albeit without the address
dependency).

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-29 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-12 12:31 [RFC][PATCH] mips: Fix arch_spin_unlock() Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 12:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 13:31 ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 14:32 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 14:50   ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 14:59     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-11-12 17:46 ` David Daney
2015-11-12 18:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-11-12 18:13   ` Måns Rullgård
2015-11-12 18:17     ` David Daney
2016-01-27  9:57       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-01-27 11:43         ` Will Deacon
2016-01-27 12:41           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2016-01-28  1:11             ` Boqun Feng
2016-01-27 14:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-27 15:21             ` Will Deacon
2016-01-27 23:38               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-01-28  9:57                 ` Will Deacon
2016-01-28 22:31                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-01-29  9:59                     ` Will Deacon [this message]
2016-01-29 10:22                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-01 13:56                         ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02  3:54                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02  5:19                             ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02  6:44                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02  8:07                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02  8:19                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02  9:34                                     ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 17:30                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 17:51                                         ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 18:06                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 19:30                                             ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 19:55                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-03 19:13                                                 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-03  8:33                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-03 13:32                                                 ` Will Deacon
2016-02-03 19:03                                                   ` Will Deacon
2016-02-09 11:23                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-09 11:42                                                       ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 12:02                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 17:56                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-02 22:30                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 14:49                                     ` Ralf Baechle
2016-02-02 14:54                                       ` Måns Rullgård
2016-02-02 14:58                                         ` Ralf Baechle
2016-02-02 15:51                                           ` Måns Rullgård
2016-02-02 17:23                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-02 22:38                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 11:45                               ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 12:12                                 ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 12:20                                   ` Will Deacon
2016-02-02 13:18                                     ` Boqun Feng
2016-02-02 17:12                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-02-02 17:37                                       ` Will Deacon

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