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From: Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@lge.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@ezchip.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] sched: Don't account tickless CPU load on tick
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 19:05:13 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160201100513.GD29804@X58A-UD3R> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160129095016.GZ6356@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:50:16AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:01:26PM +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > So lets check all the things we call on scheduler_tick():
> > 
> > _ sched_clock_tick(): maybe it doesn't need to be called when idle. I'm not sure.
> >   Some code in idle (timers, irqs, ...) might need to call sched_clock().
> 
> Only needed if you've got a shady TSC.

Yeh.. IMO, this can be done without the tick handling during nohz, with the
patch I am attaching. Could you check the patch? Or we have to handle it
remotely, too. (for a crazy TSC)

> 
> > _ update_rq_clock(), task_tick(): task_tick is empty for idle class, so we probably
> >   don't need an updated rq either.
> 
> Right, for regular NOHZ we'll be running the idle task, and the idle
> tick handler is empty. So for NOHZ you can ignore this.
> 
> For NOHZ_FULL you'll not be running the idle task and this gets
> 'interesting'.
> 
> The most important part would be tracking the task runtime, which is
> used for a number of user visible things. This should be doable
> remotely.

Isn't there any way to show it to user at the time it's requested?

> 
> > _ update_cpu_load_active(): I was about to fix the issue properly and make it account
> >   correctly on idle ticks but we might as well want to spare it.
> 
> Right, we've gone over this one in detail in other emails I think.

Doing it remotely... hm...

> 
> > _ calc_global_load_tick(): no idea
> 
> Can easily be done remote. However, this only records deltas of
> nr_active (:= nr_running + nr_uninterruptible) and for NOHZ and
> NOHZ_FULL this should not change, therefore the delta _should_ be 0 and
> you can skip this.

It sounds good.

> 
> > _ perf_event_task_tick(): needed, some freq CPU events can trigger in idle and need
> >   adjustments
> 
> Right, this is a tricky one. Maybe I should look into moving this into a
> hrtimer, but that too has 'fun' problems IIRC. I'll put it on the TODO
> list somewhere.

Good luck. I'm sure you'll do well.

> 
> > _ trigger_load_balance(): maybe needed, I see it triggers the softirq after some
> >   rebalance delay, regardless of the current CPU idleness.
> 
> We already have NOHZ remote balancing, we could (and should) probably do

I think so.

> the same for NOHZ_FULL. Then again, I would expect the NOHZ_FULL cpus to
> not actually be part of a balance domain, so we could probably detect

Could not the NOHZ_FULL cpus be part of a balance domain? It sounds good.

> and short-circuit this.
> 
> > _ rq_last_tick_reset(): not needed in idle
> 
> Right, part of the NOHZ_FULL 'hack', once you fix all the remote
> accounting stuff this could go away entirely think.

I'm sure it can be removed eventually!

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-01 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-13 16:01 [RFC PATCH 0/4] sched: Improve cpu load accounting with nohz Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-13 16:01 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: Don't account tickless CPU load on tick Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-19 13:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-19 16:22     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-19 18:56       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-19 22:33         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20  5:43           ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-20 10:26             ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-28 16:01               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-29  9:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-01 10:05                   ` Byungchul Park [this message]
2016-02-01 10:09                     ` [PATCH] sched: calculate sched_clock_cpu without tick handling during nohz Byungchul Park
2016-02-01 10:34                     ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: Don't account tickless CPU load on tick Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-01 23:51                       ` Byungchul Park
2016-02-02  0:50                       ` Byungchul Park
2016-02-01  6:33               ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-20  8:42     ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-20 17:36       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-22  8:40       ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-13 16:01 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched: Consolidate nohz CPU load update code Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-14  2:30   ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-19 13:13     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-20  0:51       ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-14  5:18   ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-19 13:13     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-19 16:49     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20  1:41       ` Byungchul Park
2016-02-29 11:14   ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: " tip-bot for Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-13 16:01 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] sched: Move cpu load stats functions above fair queue callbacks Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-13 16:01 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] sched: Upload nohz full CPU load on task enqueue/dequeue Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-19 13:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-19 17:03     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20  9:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-20 14:54         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 15:11           ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-20 15:19             ` Christoph Lameter
2016-01-20 16:52               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 16:45             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 16:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-20 17:21             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 18:25               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-21 13:25                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20  9:03   ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-20 14:31     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 14:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-01-20 16:40         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-20 16:42           ` Christoph Lameter
2016-01-20 16:47             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2016-01-14 21:19 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] sched: Improve cpu load accounting with nohz Dietmar Eggemann
2016-01-14 21:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-14 22:23     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-01-15  7:07       ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-15 16:56         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-01-18  0:23           ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-19 13:04           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-20  0:48             ` Byungchul Park
2016-01-20 13:04               ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-02-29 11:14         ` [tip:sched/core] sched/fair: Avoid using decay_load_missed() with a negative value tip-bot for Byungchul Park

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