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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: scale kswapd watermarks in proportion to memory
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 14:41:28 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160219194128.GA17342@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1455826543.15821.64.camel@redhat.com>

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 03:15:43PM -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-02-18 at 11:41 -0500, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > In machines with 140G of memory and enterprise flash storage, we have
> > seen read and write bursts routinely exceed the kswapd watermarks and
> > cause thundering herds in direct reclaim. Unfortunately, the only way
> > to tune kswapd aggressiveness is through adjusting min_free_kbytes -
> > the system's emergency reserves - which is entirely unrelated to the
> > system's latency requirements. In order to get kswapd to maintain a
> > 250M buffer of free memory, the emergency reserves need to be set to
> > 1G. That is a lot of memory wasted for no good reason.
> > 
> > On the other hand, it's reasonable to assume that allocation bursts
> > and overall allocation concurrency scale with memory capacity, so it
> > makes sense to make kswapd aggressiveness a function of that as well.
> > 
> > Change the kswapd watermark scale factor from the currently fixed 25%
> > of the tunable emergency reserve to a tunable 0.001% of memory.
> > 
> > On a 140G machine, this raises the default watermark steps - the
> > distance between min and low, and low and high - from 16M to 143M.
> 
> This is an excellent idea for a large system,
> but your patch reduces the gap between watermarks
> on small systems.
> 
> On an 8GB zone, your patch halves the gap between
> the watermarks, and on smaller systems it would be
> even worse.

You're right, I'll address that in v2.

> Would it make sense to keep using the old calculation
> on small systems, when the result of the old calculation
> exceeds that of the new calculation?
> 
> Using the max of the two calculations could prevent
> the issue you are trying to prevent on large systems,
> from happening on smaller systems.

Yes, I think enforcing a reasonable minimum this way makes sense.

Thanks Rik.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-19 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-18 16:41 [PATCH] mm: scale kswapd watermarks in proportion to memory Johannes Weiner
2016-02-18 20:15 ` Rik van Riel
2016-02-19 19:41   ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2016-02-19 11:25 ` Mel Gorman
2016-02-19 20:20   ` Johannes Weiner

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