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From: luca abeni <luca.abeni@unitn.it>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, wanpeng.li@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] sched/deadline: add per rq tracking of admitted bandwidth
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 22:46:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160224224643.0a399506@utopia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160224191752.GD25010@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hi,

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:17:52 +0100
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 06:05:30PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > Having two separate means of accounting this also feels more fragile
> > than one would want.
> > 
> > Let me think a bit about this.
> 
> I think there's a fundamental problem that makes the whole notion of
> per-rq accounting 'impossible'.
> 
> On hot-unplug we only migrate runnable tasks, all blocked tasks remain
> on the dead cpu. This would very much include their bandwidth
> requirements.
> 
> This means that between a hot-unplug and the moment that _all_ those
> blocked tasks have ran at least once, the sum of online bandwidth
> doesn't match and we can get into admission trouble (same for GRUB,
> which can also use per-rq bw like this).

After Juri's patch and emails, I tried to think about the CPU
hot-(un)plugging issues, and to check if/how they affect GRUB
reclaiming...

I arrived to the conclusion that for GRUB this is not a problem (but,
as usual, I might be wrong): GRUB just needs to track the per-runqueue
active/inactive utilization, and is not badly affected by the fact that
inactive utilization is migrated "too late" (when a task wakes up
instead of when the CPU goes offline). This is because GRUB does not
care about "global" utilization, but considers the various runqueues in
isolation (there is a flavor of the m-grub algorithm that uses global
inactive utilization, but it is not implemented by the patches I
submitted).
In other words: Juri's patch uses per-runqueue utilizations to re-build
the global utilization, while GRUB does not care if the sum of the
"active utilizations" match with the utilization used for admission
control.

I still have to check some details, and to run some more tests with CPU
hot-(un)plug (and this is why I did not send a v2 of the reclaiming RFC
yet)... In particular, I need to check what happens if the "inactive
timer" fires when the CPU on which the task was running is already
offline.



			Thanks,
				Luca

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-24 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-08 12:45 [PATCH 0/2] sched/deadline: fix cpusets bandwidth accounting Juri Lelli
2016-02-08 12:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/deadline: add per rq tracking of admitted bandwidth Juri Lelli
2016-02-10 11:32   ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-10 11:43     ` luca abeni
2016-02-10 11:58       ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-19 13:43         ` luca abeni
2016-02-19 14:20           ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-19 14:53             ` luca abeni
2016-02-19 14:57               ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-22 11:03               ` luca abeni
2016-02-22 10:57         ` [PATCH 0/3] cleanup " Luca Abeni
2016-02-22 10:57           ` [PATCH 1/4] Move some calls to __dl_{sub,add}_ac() from core.c to deadline.c Luca Abeni
2016-02-22 10:57           ` [PATCH 2/4] Move the remaining __dl_{sub,add}_ac() calls " Luca Abeni
2016-02-22 10:57           ` [PATCH 3/4] Remove dl_new Luca Abeni
2016-02-23 15:42             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-24 13:53               ` luca abeni
2016-02-25  9:46                 ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-03  9:03                   ` luca abeni
2016-03-03  9:28                     ` Juri Lelli
2016-03-03 14:23                       ` Steven Rostedt
2016-03-03 14:31                         ` luca abeni
2016-03-03 16:12                         ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-10 12:48     ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/deadline: add per rq tracking of admitted bandwidth luca abeni
2016-02-10 13:42       ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-23 15:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-23 15:51           ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-10 14:37     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-10 16:27       ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-11 12:12         ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-11 12:22           ` luca abeni
2016-02-11 12:27             ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-11 12:40               ` luca abeni
2016-02-11 12:49                 ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-11 13:05                   ` luca abeni
2016-02-11 14:25                     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-02-11 17:10                       ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-12 17:05                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-12 17:19                           ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-24 19:17                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-24 21:46                             ` luca abeni [this message]
2016-02-25  7:53                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-25 10:07                             ` Juri Lelli
2016-02-25 10:20                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-24  9:20                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-02-11 21:48                       ` Luca Abeni
2016-02-08 12:45 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/deadline: rq_{online,offline}_dl for root_domain changes Juri Lelli

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