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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Matt Fleming <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Sai Praneeth Prakhya <sai.praneeth.prakhya@intel.com>,
	"Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com>, Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Luis Rodriguez <mcgrof@suse.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	ricardo.neri@intel.com, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [tip:efi/core] x86/mm/pat: Use _PAGE_GLOBAL bit for EFI page table mappings
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 10:06:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160225090629.GC13833@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrX5NPHM=a_C7FmDA_j4kBNU=fx5Zu5mBGsgLZrth3KUVw@mail.gmail.com>


* Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:

> >> I mean the one in efi_call_virt.  Why would the spec mandate a TLB flush at 
> >> all?  EFI runtime services have no business touching the paging structures 
> >> directly.  Heck, the 32-bit ones don't even know the *format* of the paging 
> >> structures.
> >
> > Right, and it would necessitate copying out arguments because the firmware 
> > won't understand where/how the kernel has mapped things.
> >
> > No firmware is going to be doing that.
> 
> Just so I understand correctly: could we get away with putting the EFI virtual 
> runtime mappings at positive (user) addresses for 64-bit UEFI, or is there some 
> reason that we need the high bit set?
> 
> If we could use positive addresses, then we could use the existing use_mm 
> infrastructure directly with no funny business at all except to the extent that 
> we might need to use unusual APIs to set up the VMAs (if we use real VMAs) in 
> the first place.  (We could cheat and allocate a single monstrous VM_MIXEDMAP or 
> VM_PFNMAP vma with a .fault handler that always fails.)  If we have to use 
> negative addresses, then we'll always be stuck with a funny pgd, but we could 
> still probably use use_mm instead of manually fiddling with cr3.

Would be nice to get an answer to these questions. The more we isolate firmware 
execution into 'regular' MM concepts, the more robust it all becomes.

> Some day I want to experiment with calling runtime services at CPL 3, too :)

That would be an interesting isolation method as well ...

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-25  9:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-17 12:35 [GIT PULL 00/13] EFI changes for v4.6 part 2 Matt Fleming
2016-02-17 12:35 ` [PATCH 01/13] efi: Reformat GUID tables to follow the format in UEFI spec Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:12   ` [tip:efi/core] " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgUGV0ZXIgSm9uZXMgPHRpcGJvdEB6eXRvci5jb20+?=
2016-02-17 12:35 ` [PATCH 02/13] efi/runtime-wrappers: Run UEFI Runtime Services with interrupts enabled Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:13   ` [tip:efi/core] " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgQXJkIEJpZXNoZXV2ZWwgPHRpcGJvdEB6eXRvci5jb20+?=
2016-02-17 12:35 ` [PATCH 03/13] x86/mm/pageattr: Use _PAGE_GLOBAL bit for EFI page table mappings Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:13   ` [tip:efi/core] x86/mm/pat: " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgU2FpIFByYW5lZXRoIDx0aXBib3RAenl0b3IuY29tPg==?=
2016-02-23 17:47     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-02-23 18:08       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-23 18:12         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-02-24  2:09         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-24  2:13           ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-02-25  8:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2016-02-24  0:50       ` Sai Praneeth Prakhya
2016-02-24  2:43         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-02-24 14:10           ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-24 16:20             ` Borislav Petkov
2016-02-24 16:36               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-02-24 18:56                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-02-24 19:45                   ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-24 19:50                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-02-29 10:56                     ` Sylvain Chouleur
2016-03-02 11:20                       ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-24 19:33                 ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-24 19:49                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-02-25  9:06                     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2016-02-25 15:27                     ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-24 16:41               ` Borislav Petkov
2016-02-24 16:47                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-02-24 16:39             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-02-25 16:00               ` Matt Fleming
2016-02-17 12:35 ` [PATCH 04/13] efi/arm64: Drop __init annotation from handle_kernel_image() Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:14   ` [tip:efi/core] " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgQXJkIEJpZXNoZXV2ZWwgPHRpcGJvdEB6eXRvci5jb20+?=
2016-02-17 12:35 ` [PATCH 05/13] arm64: vmlinux.lds.S: Handle .init.rodata.xxx and .init.bss sections Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:14   ` [tip:efi/core] arm64/vmlinux.lds.S: " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgQXJkIEJpZXNoZXV2ZWwgPHRpcGJvdEB6eXRvci5jb20+?=
2016-02-17 12:35 ` [PATCH 06/13] efi/efistub: Prevent __init annotations from being used Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:14   ` [tip:efi/core] " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgQXJkIEJpZXNoZXV2ZWwgPHRpcGJvdEB6eXRvci5jb20+?=
2016-02-17 12:36 ` [PATCH 07/13] efi/arm-init: Use read-only early mappings Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:15   ` [tip:efi/core] " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgQXJkIEJpZXNoZXV2ZWwgPHRpcGJvdEB6eXRvci5jb20+?=
2016-02-17 12:36 ` [PATCH 08/13] efi/arm: Check for LPAE support before booting a LPAE kernel Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:15   ` [tip:efi/core] " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgQXJkIEJpZXNoZXV2ZWwgPHRpcGJvdEB6eXRvci5jb20+?=
2016-02-17 12:36 ` [PATCH 09/13] efi/arm64: Check for h/w support before booting a >4 KB granule kernel Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:16   ` [tip:efi/core] efi/arm64: Check for h/w support before booting a >4 KB granular kernel =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgQXJkIEJpZXNoZXV2ZWwgPHRpcGJvdEB6eXRvci5jb20+?=
2016-03-06  3:35   ` [PATCH 09/13] efi/arm64: Check for h/w support before booting a >4 KB granule kernel Ard Biesheuvel
2016-03-07 11:02     ` Matt Fleming
2016-03-07 11:05       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-02-17 12:36 ` [PATCH 10/13] efi/arm*: Perform hardware compatibility check Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:16   ` [tip:efi/core] " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgQXJkIEJpZXNoZXV2ZWwgPHRpcGJvdEB6eXRvci5jb20+?=
2016-02-17 12:36 ` [PATCH 11/13] x86/mm/pageattr: Don't implicitly allow _PAGE_RW in kernel_map_pages_in_pgd() Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:16   ` [tip:efi/core] x86/mm/pat: " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgU2FpIFByYW5lZXRoIDx0aXBib3RAenl0b3IuY29tPg==?=
2016-02-17 12:36 ` [PATCH 12/13] x86/efi: Map EFI_MEMORY_{XP,RO} memory region bits to EFI page tables Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:17   ` [tip:efi/core] " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgU2FpIFByYW5lZXRoIDx0aXBib3RAenl0b3IuY29tPg==?=
2016-02-17 12:36 ` [PATCH 13/13] x86/efi: Only map kernel text for EFI mixed mode Matt Fleming
2016-02-22 12:17   ` [tip:efi/core] " =?UTF-8?B?dGlwLWJvdCBmb3IgU2FpIFByYW5lZXRoIDx0aXBib3RAenl0b3IuY29tPg==?=

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