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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Marty McFadden <mcfadden8@llnl.gov>
Cc: ak@linux.intel.com, andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com,
	bp@alien8.de, bp@suse.de, brgerst@gmail.com,
	dan.j.williams@intel.com, dyoung@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com,
	linux@horizon.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, luto@kernel.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, pavel@ucw.cz, tglx@linutronix.de,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, x86@kernel.org, yu.c.chen@intel.com,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@infradead.org>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] MSR: MSR: MSR Whitelist and Batch Introduction
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 08:37:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160226073717.GA3884@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1456444979-224547-1-git-send-email-mcfadden8@llnl.gov>


* Marty McFadden <mcfadden8@llnl.gov> wrote:

> 
> This patch addresses the following two problems:
>   1. The current msr module grants all-or-nothing access to MSRs,
>      thus making user-level runtime performance adjustments 
>      problematic, particularly for power-constrained HPC systems.
> 
>   2. The current msr module requires a separate system call and the
>      acquisition of the preemption lock for each individual MSR access. 
>      This overhead degrades performance of runtime tools that would
>      ideally sample multiple MSRs at high frequencies.

No, we really don't want to touch the old MSR code - it's a very opaque API with 
various deep limitations.

What I'd like to see instead is to use a modern system monitoring interface - and 
in fact that already happened in the last kernel release, we added the perf MSR 
access methods via:

 commit b7b7c7821d932ba18ef6c8eafc8536066b4c2ef4
 Author: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
 Date:   Mon Jul 20 11:49:06 2015 -0400

    perf/x86: Add an MSR PMU driver
    
    This patch adds an MSR PMU to support free running MSR counters. Such
    as time and freq related counters includes TSC, IA32_APERF, IA32_MPERF
    and IA32_PPERF, but also SMI_COUNT.
    
    The events are exposed in sysfs for use by perf stat and other tools.
    The files are under /sys/devices/msr/events/

see arch/x86/cpu/perf/msr.c, or arch/x86/events/msr.c in the latest perf tree:

  git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip.git perf/core

For example with the perf ABIs 'batch access' of a group of MSRs is easy: a group 
of events can be read or sampled at once. It can be done in a system-wide, per 
task or per task hierarchy fashion, with cgroup management as well - it's a modern 
API.

Right now the MSR PMU code is only at its first version, with only these few MSRs 
exposed:

enum perf_msr_id {
        PERF_MSR_TSC                    = 0,
        PERF_MSR_APERF                  = 1,
        PERF_MSR_MPERF                  = 2,
        PERF_MSR_PPERF                  = 3,
        PERF_MSR_SMI                    = 4,

        PERF_MSR_EVENT_MAX,
};

but that can (and should) be expanded and more features can be added.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-26  7:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-26  0:02 [PATCH 0/4] MSR: MSR: MSR Whitelist and Batch Introduction Marty McFadden
2016-02-26  0:02 ` [PATCH 1/4] MSR: Prep for separating msr.c into three files Marty McFadden
2016-02-26  2:56   ` kbuild test robot
2016-02-26 10:08   ` Andy Shevchenko
2016-02-26  0:02 ` [PATCH 2/4] " Marty McFadden
2016-02-26  0:02 ` [PATCH 3/4] MSR: msr Whitelist Implementation Marty McFadden
2016-02-26  1:05   ` [PATCH] MSR: fix badzero.cocci warnings kbuild test robot
2016-02-26  1:05   ` [PATCH 3/4] MSR: msr Whitelist Implementation kbuild test robot
2016-02-26  0:02 ` [PATCH 4/4] MSR: msr Batch processing feature Marty McFadden
2016-02-26  2:48   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-03 17:21   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-03-03 23:09     ` Mcfadden, Marty Jay
2016-02-26  7:37 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2016-02-28 18:54   ` [PATCH 0/4] MSR: MSR: MSR Whitelist and Batch Introduction Mcfadden, Marty Jay
2016-02-28 19:01     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-02-29  2:55       ` Mcfadden, Marty Jay
2016-02-29 14:58         ` Borislav Petkov
2016-02-29 16:31           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2016-02-29 17:22             ` Borislav Petkov
2016-02-29 17:53           ` George Spelvin
2016-02-29 18:20             ` Borislav Petkov
2016-02-29 22:35               ` Mcfadden, Marty Jay
2016-02-29 23:41                 ` Borislav Petkov
2016-03-01 19:01                   ` Rountree, Barry L.
2016-03-03  0:40                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-01  8:02                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-03-01 18:29                   ` Rountree, Barry L.
2016-03-01 18:38                     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-02-29 17:17         ` Andy Lutomirski

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