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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>
Cc: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Colin King <colin.king@canonical.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Q: why didn't GCC warn about this uninitialized variable? (was: Re: [PATCH] perf tests: initialize sa.sa_flags)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2016 15:04:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160303140459.GA10386@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160303134625.GF3017@tucnak.redhat.com>


* Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 03, 2016 at 02:24:34PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > 6 hours of PeterZ time translates to quite a bit of code restructuring overhead to 
> > eliminate false positive warnings...
> 
> I'll file a bugzilla enhancement request for this (with new attribute),
> perhaps we could do it in FRE that is able to see through memory
> stores/loads even in addressable structures in some cases.
> Though, certainly GCC 7 material.

> And, in this particular case it couldn't do anything anyway, because
> the sigfillset call is not inlined, and takes address of a field in the
> structure.  The compiler can't know if it doesn't cast it back to struct
> sigaction and initialize the other fields.

That's true - but I think in the typical case it's a pretty fragile pattern to go 
outside the bounds of a on-stack structure you get passed, so I wouldn't mind a 
(default-disabled) warning for it, even if it generates false positives that have 
to be annotated for the few cases where it's a legitimate technique.

I am 99% sure that a fair number of security critical projects would migrate to 
the usage of such a warning, combined with -Werror. I'm 100% sure that perf would 
migrate to it.

> BTW, valgrind should be able to detect this.

Yes - assuming the uninitialized value gets used. Often they are in rarely used 
code and error paths, only triggered by exploits.

It would be far better if GCC allowed a (non-default) C variant that makes it 
impossible to introduce uninitialized values via on-stack variables. The 
maintenance cost of the false positives is the price paid for that (very valuable) 
guarantee.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-03 14:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-02 12:55 [PATCH] perf tests: initialize sa.sa_flags Colin King
2016-03-02 12:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-02 13:03   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2016-03-02 13:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-03-02 13:23       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2016-03-03 12:19         ` Q: why didn't GCC warn about this uninitialized variable? (was: Re: [PATCH] perf tests: initialize sa.sa_flags) Ingo Molnar
2016-03-03 12:25           ` Q: why didn't GCC warn about this uninitialized variable? Colin Ian King
2016-03-03 12:31           ` Måns Rullgård
2016-03-03 12:43             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-03 12:49               ` Joe Perches
2016-03-03 12:55           ` Q: why didn't GCC warn about this uninitialized variable? (was: Re: [PATCH] perf tests: initialize sa.sa_flags) Jakub Jelinek
2016-03-03 13:24             ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-03 13:46               ` Jakub Jelinek
2016-03-03 14:04                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2016-03-03 13:47               ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-03 14:19                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2016-03-03 14:40                   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-03 14:53                   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-03 15:04                     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-02 13:02 ` [PATCH] perf tests: initialize sa.sa_flags Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2016-03-05  8:20 ` [tip:perf/core] perf tests: Initialize sa.sa_flags tip-bot for Colin Ian King

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