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From: Petko Manolov <petkan@mip-labs.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 12/12] IMA: Use the the system trusted keyrings instead of .ima_mok [ver #2]
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 18:37:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160308163758.GA4934@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3362.1457453220@warthog.procyon.org.uk>

On 16-03-08 16:07:00, David Howells wrote:
> Petko Manolov <petkan@mip-labs.com> wrote:
> 
> > > How about I change it to a choice-type item, with the following options:
> > > 
> > >  (1) No addition.
> > > 
> > >  (2) Addition restricted by built-in keyring.
> > > 
> > >  (3) Addition restricted by secondary keyring + built-in keyring.
> > > 
> > > where the second and third options then depend on the appropriate keyrings 
> > > being enabled.
> > 
> > I would suggest leaving (1) and (3).  Since secondary keyring only accepts
> > keys signed by certificate in the system keyring I think (2) is redundant.
> > It adds extra complexity (Kconfig is vague enough already) while it doesn't
> > increase the overall security by much.
> 
> If I remove option (2), that would mean that if you want to allow keys to be 
> added to .ima if they're signed by the built-in keyring, then you also allow 
> keys to be added to .ima if they're signed by the secondary keyring if 
> enabled.

Exactly.  The primary difference between the built-in and secondary keyring is 
that the latter is R/W.  Chances are the user want either no addition or need 
dynamic key add/remove.

I don't have strong opinions against (2).  This is more of a discussion whether 
we should sacrifice in favor of simplicity or flexibility.

> Remember - these keyrings aren't necessarily restricted to IMA.

I am well aware of that.  At some point (perhaps not now) i'd like to discuss 
allowing kernel module loading based on keys in the secondary keyring.  It is a 
niche feature for those machines that have uptime measured in years.  I 
certainly don't expect it to be something the regular desktop or embedded users 
need.

Another issue that we left unresolved is the system-wide blacklist keyring.  It 
is at the same hierarchy level as the secondary keyring and serves a similar 
purpose although in opposite direction.


		Petko

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-08 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-04 15:00 [RFC PATCH 00/12] KEYS: Restrict additions to 'trusted' keyrings [ver #2] David Howells
2016-03-04 15:00 ` [RFC PATCH 01/12] KEYS: Generalise system_verify_data() to provide access to internal content " David Howells
2016-03-04 15:00 ` [RFC PATCH 02/12] PKCS#7: Make trust determination dependent on contents of trust keyring " David Howells
2016-03-04 15:00 ` [RFC PATCH 03/12] KEYS: Add a facility to restrict new links into a " David Howells
2016-03-04 15:00 ` [RFC PATCH 04/12] KEYS: Move x509_request_asymmetric_key() to asymmetric_type.c " David Howells
2016-03-04 15:00 ` [RFC PATCH 05/12] KEYS: Generalise x509_request_asymmetric_key() " David Howells
2016-03-04 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 06/12] X.509: Use verify_signature() if we have a struct key * to use " David Howells
2016-03-04 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 07/12] X.509: Move the trust validation code out to its own file " David Howells
2016-03-04 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 08/12] KEYS: Make the system trusted keyring depend on the asymmetric key type " David Howells
2016-03-04 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 09/12] KEYS: Move the point of trust determination to __key_link() " David Howells
2016-03-04 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 10/12] KEYS: Remove KEY_FLAG_TRUSTED and KEY_ALLOC_TRUSTED " David Howells
2016-03-04 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 11/12] certs: Add a secondary system keyring that can be added to dynamically " David Howells
2016-03-08  2:05   ` Mimi Zohar
2016-03-08 13:13     ` David Howells
2016-03-08 14:06       ` Petko Manolov
2016-03-08 14:31       ` Mimi Zohar
2016-03-08 14:43         ` David Howells
2016-03-08 15:09           ` Mimi Zohar
2016-03-08 15:32             ` David Howells
2016-03-08 16:15               ` Mimi Zohar
2016-03-04 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 12/12] IMA: Use the the system trusted keyrings instead of .ima_mok " David Howells
2016-03-08  2:26   ` Mimi Zohar
2016-03-08 13:08     ` David Howells
2016-03-08 14:12       ` Mimi Zohar
2016-03-08 14:14       ` Petko Manolov
2016-03-08 14:38         ` Mimi Zohar
2016-03-08 14:44         ` David Howells
2016-03-08 15:48           ` Petko Manolov
2016-03-08 16:07         ` David Howells
2016-03-08 16:37           ` Petko Manolov [this message]
2016-03-08 22:05             ` Mimi Zohar

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