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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, jack@suse.com, pmladek@suse.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH v2 1/2] printk: Make printk() completely async
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:01:20 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160312050120.GA689@swordfish> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160311172211.GD24046@htj.duckdns.org>

Hello Tejun,

On (03/11/16 12:22), Tejun Heo wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 07:21:52PM +0900, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> > I'd personally prefer to go with the "less dependency" option -- a dedicated
> > kthread, I think. mostly for the sake of simplicity. I agree with the point
> > that console_unlock() has unpredictable execution time, and in general case
> > we would have a busy kworker (or sleeping in console_lock() or doing
> > cond_resched()) and an idle extra WQ_RESCUER kthread, with activation rules
> > that don't depend on printk. printk with dedicated printk-kthread seems
> > easier to control. how does it sound?
> 
> I don't think it makes sense to avoid workqueue for execution latency.
> The only case which can matter is the rescuer case and as I wrote
> before the system is already in an extremely high latency mode by the
> time rescuer is needed, so it's unlikely to make noticeable
> differences.
>
> However, I agree that using kthread is a good idea here just to reduce
> the amount of dependency as prink working even during complex failures
> is important.  workqueue itself is fairly complex and it also requires
> timer and task creation to work correctly for proper operation.
> That's a lot of extra dependency.

Thanks!

I agree that, in some cases (if not in most of them) the "value" of printk()
output is inversely proportional to the system health -- the worst the state,
the more attention people pay to printk() output; so a simpler solution here
gives more confidence.

	-ss

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-12  5:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-05 10:55 [RFC][PATCH v2 0/2] printk: Make printk() completely async Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-05 10:55 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 1/2] " Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-06  6:32   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-06  7:18     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-06  9:35       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-06 11:06         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-06 13:27           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-06 14:54             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-07  8:22             ` Jan Kara
2016-03-07 10:12               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-07 10:52                 ` Jan Kara
2016-03-07 12:16                   ` Jan Kara
2016-03-07 12:37                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-07 15:10                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-07 15:49                       ` Tejun Heo
2016-03-08 10:21                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-11 17:22                           ` Tejun Heo
2016-03-12  5:01                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2016-03-09  6:09                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-10  9:27                       ` Jan Kara
2016-03-10 15:48                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-10  9:53                       ` Petr Mladek
2016-03-10 16:26                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-07 14:40                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-07 11:10                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-07 14:36                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-07 15:42               ` Tejun Heo
2016-03-05 10:55 ` [RFC][PATCH v2 2/2] printk: Skip messages on oops Sergey Senozhatsky

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