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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	xen-devel <Xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] x86/msr: Carry on after a non-"safe" MSR access fails without !panic_on_oops
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:02:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160312160241.GA11531@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUFakwGL9zpj9TwKX9KbG9czq8fpEViU3nWaCvnpGurew@mail.gmail.com>


* Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:15 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > * Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
> >
> >> > These could still be open coded in an inlined fashion, like the scheduler usage.
> >>
> >> We could have a raw_rdmsr for those.
> >>
> >> OTOH, I'm still not 100% convinced that this warn-but-don't-die behavior is
> >> worth the effort.  This isn't a frequent source of bugs to my knowledge, and we
> >> don't try to recover from incorrect cr writes, out-of-bounds MMIO, etc, so do we
> >> really gain much by rigging a recovery mechanism for rdmsr and wrmsr failures
> >> for code that doesn't use the _safe variants?
> >
> > It's just the general principle really: don't crash the kernel on bootup. There's
> > few things more user hostile than that.
> >
> > Also, this would maintain the status quo: since we now (accidentally) don't crash
> > the kernel on distro kernels (but silently and unsafely ignore the faulting
> > instruction), we should not regress that behavior (by adding the chance to crash
> > again), but improve upon it.
> 
> Just a heads up: the extable improvements in tip:ras/core make it
> straightforward to get the best of all worlds: explicit failure
> handling (written in C!), no fast path overhead whatsoever, and no new
> garbage in the exception handlers.

I _knew_ I should have merged them into tip:x86/mm, not tip:ras/core ;-)

I had a quick look at your new MSR series and I'm very happy with that direction!

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-12 16:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-21  0:02 [PATCH v2 0/2] x86/msr: MSR access failure changes Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-21  0:02 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] x86/msr: Carry on after a non-"safe" MSR access fails without !panic_on_oops Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-21  0:15   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-21  1:13     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-21  8:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-21 12:27         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-21 16:36         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-21 16:49           ` Arjan van de Ven
2015-09-21 17:27             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-21 17:43             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-22  8:12               ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-21 18:16           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-21 18:36             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-09-21 18:47             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-22  7:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-30 13:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-30 14:01             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-30 18:04               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-01  7:15                 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-03-11 16:48                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-12 16:02                     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-09-30 18:32           ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-09-21  0:02 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] x86/msr: Set the return value to zero when native_rdmsr_safe fails Andy Lutomirski

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