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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Gregory Farnum <greg@gregs42.com>
Cc: sandeen@redhat.com, Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Martin Petersen <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	shane.seymour@hpe.com, Bruce Fields <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@poochiereds.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] block: create ioctl to discard-or-zeroout a range of blocks
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 08:36:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160317123647.GI23593@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC6JEv-CGaphHj6hVXUhFS+Dc4jS46nO1yOfKF5yA8AnDwqgOw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:18:19PM -0700, Gregory Farnum wrote:
> would've been nice if they were upstream. What *is* a big deal for
> FileStore (and would be easy to take advantage of) is the thematically
> similar O_NOMTIME flag, which is also about reducing metadata updates
> and got blocked on similar stupid-user grounds (although not security
> ones): http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.api/10727.

Try mounting with the lazytime mount option.  That should give you the
nearly all of the metaata update reduction for free.  It is slightly
better optimized for in ext4. but it should work for xfs and btrfs as
well.  The mtime will still get updated on disk about once a day (or
if memory pressure pushes the inode out of memory or on an unmount),
but the in-memory inode has the correct timestamps, so stat will
return the correct mtime value and so the result is POSIX compliant
for those people who still care such things.

(Actually, if you need to pass POSIX conformance testing you should
use strictatime,lazytime so that atime is updated when POSIX mandates
it to be updated.)

						- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-17 12:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-02  4:09 [PATCH v5.1 0/2] create BLKZEROOUT ioctl that invalidates page cache Darrick J. Wong
2016-03-02  4:09 ` [PATCH 1/2] block: invalidate the page cache when issuing BLKZEROOUT Darrick J. Wong
2016-03-02  9:19   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-03-02  4:09 ` [PATCH 2/2] block: create ioctl to discard-or-zeroout a range of blocks Darrick J. Wong
2016-03-02  9:20   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-03-02 18:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-02 22:56     ` Darrick J. Wong
2016-03-02 23:49       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-03 17:02         ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-03 17:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-03 18:00             ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-03-03 18:14             ` Martin K. Petersen
2016-03-03 18:21             ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-03 18:01         ` Martin K. Petersen
2016-03-03 18:09           ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-03-03 18:12             ` Darrick J. Wong
2016-03-03 18:54             ` Martin K. Petersen
2016-03-03 22:39               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-03 23:10                 ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-04  0:20                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-09 22:20                   ` Gregory Farnum
2016-03-09 23:08                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-10 14:58                       ` Ric Wheeler
2016-03-10 18:33                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-10 21:47                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-11  4:42                           ` Ric Wheeler
2016-03-11 13:59                             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-03-11 15:27                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-11 17:23                               ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-11 17:30                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-11 18:25                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-11 22:30                                     ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-12  0:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-12  0:35                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-12  0:44                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-12  7:19                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-12 10:11                                             ` Thomas Schoebel-Theuer
2016-03-13 23:30                                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-14 10:34                                             ` Ric Wheeler
2016-03-14 14:46                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-15 20:14                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-15 20:43                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-15 21:29                                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-15 22:33                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-15 22:52                                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-16  1:51                                                         ` Darrick J. Wong
2016-03-16 21:45                                                           ` Andreas Dilger
2016-03-17  0:15                                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-17  0:33                                                               ` Eric Sandeen
2016-03-17  0:59                                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-17  5:18                                                                 ` Gregory Farnum
2016-03-17 12:36                                                                   ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2016-03-17 17:47                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-17 17:50                                                                     ` Ric Wheeler
2016-03-17 17:59                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-17 18:35                                                                     ` Chris Mason
2016-03-17 20:49                                                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2016-03-17 21:00                                                                         ` Chris Mason
2016-03-18  3:20                                                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-03-18 15:15                                                                             ` Jeff Moyer
2016-03-18 20:05                                                                               ` Martin K. Petersen
2016-03-18  6:52                                                                     ` Gregory Farnum
2016-03-18  7:19                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-17  1:01                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-17  2:38                                                             ` Darrick J. Wong
2016-03-18 22:55                                                         ` NeilBrown
2016-03-15 23:06                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-15 23:14                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-16  0:08                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-15 23:52                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-16  0:06                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-16  0:30                                                             ` Eric Sandeen
2016-03-16  0:51                                                               ` Chris Mason
2016-03-16 22:23                                                                 ` Chris Mason
2016-03-17 13:49                                                                   ` Ric Wheeler
2016-03-15 22:38                                                   ` Eric Sandeen
2016-03-03 22:56               ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-04  2:30                 ` Thomas Schoebel-Theuer
2016-03-03 18:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-02  9:15 ` [PATCH v5.1 0/2] create BLKZEROOUT ioctl that invalidates page cache Arnd Bergmann
2016-03-02  9:44   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-03-02 10:55     ` Arnd Bergmann

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