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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-audit@redhat.com, wmealing <wmealing@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Create an audit record of USB specific details
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:53:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160404215302.GC26580@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160404214843.GA26580@kroah.com>

On Mon, Apr 04, 2016 at 02:48:43PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 04, 2016 at 05:33:10PM -0400, Steve Grubb wrote:
> > On Monday, April 04, 2016 05:56:26 AM Greg KH wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2016 at 12:02:42AM -0400, wmealing wrote:
> > > > From: Wade Mealing <wmealing@redhat.com>
> > > > 
> > > > Gday,
> > > > 
> > > > I'm looking to create an audit trail for when devices are added or removed
> > > > from the system.
> > > 
> > > Then please do it in userspace, as I suggested before, that way you
> > > catch all types of devices, not just USB ones.
> > > 
> > > Also I don't think you realize that USB interfaces are what are bound to
> > > drivers, not USB devices, so that is going to mess with any attempted
> > > audit trails here.  How are you going to distinguish between the 5
> > > different devices that just got plugged in that all have 0000/0000 as
> > > vid/pid for them because they are "cheap" devices from China, yet do
> > > totally different things because they are different _types_ of devices?
> > 
> > This sounds like vid/pid should be captured in the event.
> 
> The code did that, the point is, vid/pid means nothing in the real
> world.  So why are you going to audit anything based on it? :)

Oh wait, it's worse, it is logging strings, which are even more
unreliable than vid/pid values.  It's pretty obvious this has not been
tested on any large batch of real-world devices, or thought through as
to why any of this is even needed at all.

So why is this being added?  Who needs/wants this?  What are their
requirements here?  From what I recall, the author is just messing
around with the USB subsystem and audit as something fun to do, which is
great, but don't expect it to be mergable :)

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-04 22:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-04  4:02 [RFC] Create an audit record of USB specific details wmealing
2016-04-04  6:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-04-04  7:47   ` Bjørn Mork
2016-04-05  8:40     ` Wade Mealing
2016-04-05 11:49       ` EXT :Re: " Boyce, Kevin P (AS)
2016-04-05 13:46         ` Greg KH
2016-04-05 13:52           ` Boyce, Kevin P (AS)
2016-04-05 15:35             ` Greg KH
2016-04-05 14:40       ` Alan Stern
2016-04-05 22:17         ` Wade Mealing
2016-04-05 17:02       ` Oliver Neukum
2016-04-05 19:38         ` Steve Grubb
2016-04-05 22:18           ` Greg KH
2016-04-04 12:56 ` Greg KH
2016-04-04 21:33   ` Steve Grubb
2016-04-04 21:48     ` Greg KH
2016-04-04 21:53       ` Greg KH [this message]
2016-04-05 13:07         ` Burn Alting
2016-04-05 13:44           ` Greg KH
2016-04-05 14:08             ` Burn Alting
2016-04-05 14:20               ` EXT :Re: " Boyce, Kevin P (AS)
2016-04-05 14:37                 ` Burn Alting
2016-04-05 14:42                   ` Boyce, Kevin P (AS)
2016-04-05 22:39                     ` Burn Alting
2016-04-04 21:37   ` Paul Moore
2016-04-04 21:50     ` Greg KH
2016-04-05  2:54       ` Paul Moore
2016-04-05  3:39         ` Greg KH
2016-04-05 14:50           ` Paul Moore
2016-04-04 21:37 ` Steve Grubb
2016-04-04 21:54   ` Greg KH
     [not found]     ` <CALJHwhR-SA7K=fD=DUXE7EFq+4gWKPaY+B5z6jdCj7180wg_vg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-04-05  1:54       ` Wade Mealing
2016-04-05  2:43         ` Greg KH
2016-04-05  2:47         ` Greg KH
2016-04-04 22:10   ` Burn Alting

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