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From: Yuyang Du <yuyang.du@intel.com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Benjamin Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] sched/fair: Drop out incomplete current period when sched averages accrue
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 05:09:00 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160412210900.GM8697@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160412115645.GA3730@vingu-laptop>

Hi Vincent,

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 01:56:45PM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> Le Tuesday 12 Apr 2016 à 03:41:41 (+0800), Yuyang Du a écrit :
> > Hi Vincent,
> > 
> > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 11:08:04AM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > > > @@ -2704,11 +2694,14 @@ static __always_inline int
> > > >  __update_load_avg(u64 now, int cpu, struct sched_avg *sa,
> > > >                   unsigned long weight, int running, struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq)
> > > >  {
> > > > -       u64 delta, scaled_delta, periods;
> > > > -       u32 contrib;
> > > > -       unsigned int delta_w, scaled_delta_w, decayed = 0;
> > > > +       u64 delta;
> > > > +       u32 contrib, periods;
> > > >         unsigned long scale_freq, scale_cpu;
> > > >
> > > > +       /*
> > > > +        * now rolls down to a period boundary
> > > > +        */
> > > > +       now = now && (u64)(~0xFFFFF);
> > > >         delta = now - sa->last_update_time;
> > > >         /*
> > > >          * This should only happen when time goes backwards, which it
> > > > @@ -2720,89 +2713,56 @@ __update_load_avg(u64 now, int cpu, struct sched_avg *sa,
> > > >         }
> > > >
> > > >         /*
> > > > -        * Use 1024ns as the unit of measurement since it's a reasonable
> > > > -        * approximation of 1us and fast to compute.
> > > > +        * Use 1024*1024ns as an approximation of 1ms period, pretty close.
> > > >          */
> > > > -       delta >>= 10;
> > > > -       if (!delta)
> > > > +       periods = delta >> 20;
> > > > +       if (!periods)
> > > >                 return 0;
> > > >         sa->last_update_time = now;
> > > 
> > > The optimization looks quite interesting but I see one potential issue
> > > with migration as we will lose the part of the ongoing period that is
> > > now not saved anymore. This lost part can be quite significant for a
> > > short task that ping pongs between CPUs.
> > 
> > Yes, basically, it is we lose precision (~1ms scale in contrast with ~1us scale).
> 
> But with a HZ set to 1000 and a sched-slice in the same range, having a precision
> of 1ms instead of 1us makes the precision of load tracking of short task quite
> random IMHO.
> 
> you can keep recording this partial period without using it in the load tracking.
> Something like below keep precision without sacrifying the optimization.
 
The residue is accumulated and rolled over to next update every time. But its
state is runnable/not-runnable, or running/not-running?

> ---
>  kernel/sched/fair.c | 16 ++++++++++++----
>  1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> index 68273e8..b234169 100644
> --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> @@ -674,6 +674,12 @@ void init_entity_runnable_average(struct sched_entity *se)
>  	struct sched_avg *sa = &se->avg;
>  
>  	sa->last_update_time = 0;
> +	/*
> +	 * sched_avg's period_contrib should be strictly less then 1024 * 1024, so
> +	 * we give it 1023 * 1024 to make sure it is almost a period (1024us), and
> +	 * will definitely be updated (after enqueue).
> +	 */
> +	sa->period_contrib = 1023*1024;
>  	sa->load_avg = scale_load_down(se->load.weight);
>  	sa->load_sum = sa->load_avg * LOAD_AVG_MAX;
>  	/*
> @@ -2698,10 +2704,6 @@ __update_load_avg(u64 now, int cpu, struct sched_avg *sa,
>  	u32 contrib, periods;
>  	unsigned long scale_freq, scale_cpu;
>  
> -	/*
> -	 * now rolls down to a period boundary
> -	 */
> -	now = now && (u64)(~0xFFFFF);
>  	delta = now - sa->last_update_time;
>  	/*
>  	 * This should only happen when time goes backwards, which it
> @@ -2712,6 +2714,9 @@ __update_load_avg(u64 now, int cpu, struct sched_avg *sa,
>  		return 0;
>  	}
>  
> +	/* Add how much left for the current period */
> +	delta += sa->period_contrib;
> +
>  	/*
>  	 * Use 1024*1024ns as an approximation of 1ms period, pretty close.
>  	 */
> @@ -2720,6 +2725,9 @@ __update_load_avg(u64 now, int cpu, struct sched_avg *sa,
>  		return 0;
>  	sa->last_update_time = now;
>  
> +	/* Get how much left for the next period */
> +	sa->period_contrib = delta & (u64)(0xFFFFF);
> +
>  	scale_freq = arch_scale_freq_capacity(NULL, cpu);
>  	scale_cpu = arch_scale_cpu_capacity(NULL, cpu);
> 
> > But as I wrote, we may either lose a sub-1ms, or gain a sub-1ms, statistically,
> > they should even out, given the load/util updates are quite a large number of
> > samples, and we do want a lot of samples for the metrics, this is the point of
> > the entire average thing. Plus, as you also said, the incomplete current period
> > also plays a (somewhat) negative role here.
> > 
> > In addition, excluding the flat hierarchical util patch, we gain quite some
> > efficiency.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-13  4:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-10 22:36 [PATCH 0/4] Optimize sched avg computation and implement flat util hierarchy Yuyang Du
2016-04-10 22:36 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched/fair: Optimize sum computation with a lookup table Yuyang Du
2016-04-11  9:08   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-11 10:41   ` Juri Lelli
2016-04-11 19:12     ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-12 10:14       ` Juri Lelli
2016-04-12 18:07         ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-13  9:11           ` Juri Lelli
2016-04-11 16:59   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-04-11 19:17     ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-12 14:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-12 18:12         ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-11 23:21     ` Joe Perches
2016-04-12 12:02       ` Juri Lelli
2016-04-11 23:07   ` Joe Perches
2016-04-10 22:36 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched/fair: Drop out incomplete current period when sched averages accrue Yuyang Du
2016-04-11  9:08   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-11 19:41     ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-12 11:56       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-12 21:09         ` Yuyang Du [this message]
2016-04-13 11:11           ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-12 12:02   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-04-12 20:14     ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-13  4:04       ` Joe Perches
2016-04-13  8:40       ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-04-13 15:13   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-04-13 15:28     ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-13 16:20       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-13 18:44       ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-14 12:52         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-04-14 20:05           ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-18 17:59             ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-10 22:36 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched/fair: Modify accumulated sums for load/util averages Yuyang Du
2016-04-11 17:14   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-04-10 22:36 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched/fair: Implement flat hierarchical structure for util_avg Yuyang Du
2016-04-11 12:29   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-11 20:37     ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-13 11:27       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-13 18:20         ` Yuyang Du

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