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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	jiangshanlai@gmail.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com,
	josh@joshtriplett.org, tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org,
	dhowells@redhat.com, edumazet@google.com, dvhart@linux.intel.com,
	fweisbec@gmail.com, oleg@redhat.com, bobby.prani@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 1/7] documentation: Clarify relationship of barrier() to control dependencies
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 08:28:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160414152815.GF3755@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160413235614.3517e030@grimm.local.home>

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 11:56:14PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:52:49 -0700
> "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > The current documentation claims that the compiler ignores barrier(),
> > which is not the case.  Instead, the compiler carefully pays attention
> > to barrier(), but in a creative way that still manages to destroy
> > the control dependency.  This commit sets the story straight.
> > 
> > Reported-by: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > ---
> >  Documentation/memory-barriers.txt | 7 ++++---
> >  1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > index 3729cbe60e41..ec1289042396 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > +++ b/Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
> > @@ -813,9 +813,10 @@ In summary:
> >        the same variable, then those stores must be ordered, either by
> >        preceding both of them with smp_mb() or by using smp_store_release()
> >        to carry out the stores.  Please note that it is -not- sufficient
> > -      to use barrier() at beginning of each leg of the "if" statement,
> > -      as optimizing compilers do not necessarily respect barrier()
> > -      in this case.
> > +      to use barrier() at beginning of each leg of the "if" statement
> > +      because, as shown by the example above, optimizing compilers can
> > +      destroy the control dependency while respecting the letter of the
> > +      barrier() law.
> 
> Which country has the jurisdiction over this barrier() law?
> 
> What about "the letter of the barrier() rules"?

>From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law:

	"Law" originally referred to legislative statute, but in the
	idiom may refer to any kind of rule.

So I believe that the current wording respects the spirit of that idiom.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-14 15:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-12 15:52 [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 0/7] Memory-model updates for 4.7 Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-12 15:52 ` [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 1/7] documentation: Clarify relationship of barrier() to control dependencies Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-13  7:27   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/Documentation: " tip-bot for Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-14  3:56   ` [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 1/7] documentation: " Steven Rostedt
2016-04-14 15:28     ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2016-04-12 15:52 ` [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 2/7] documentation: Fix missed renaming: s/lock/acquire Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-13  7:28   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/Documentation: Fix missed s/lock/acquire renames tip-bot for SeongJae Park
2016-04-13 12:46   ` [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 2/7] documentation: Fix missed renaming: s/lock/acquire Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-13 14:29     ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-12 15:52 ` [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 3/7] documentation: Add missed subsection in TOC Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-13  7:28   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/Documentation: " tip-bot for SeongJae Park
2016-04-12 15:52 ` [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 4/7] Documentation: Fix typo Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-13  7:29   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/Documentation: Fix formatting inconsistencies tip-bot for SeongJae Park
2016-04-12 15:52 ` [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 5/7] Documentation: Insert white spaces consistently Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-13  7:29   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/Documentation: " tip-bot for SeongJae Park
2016-04-12 15:52 ` [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 6/7] documentation: Add Korean translation Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-13  6:38   ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-13  8:11     ` SeongJae Park
2016-04-13 12:49       ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-13 18:46         ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-04-13 19:09           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-14  1:04         ` SeongJae Park
2016-04-14 15:25           ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-14 22:17             ` SeongJae Park
2016-04-15 23:23               ` Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-18  9:31                 ` SeongJae Park
2016-04-18 10:00                   ` [PATCH v2] Doc/memory-barriers: add " SeongJae Park
2016-04-18 20:33                   ` [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 6/7] documentation: Add " Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-12 15:52 ` [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 7/7] Documentation,barriers: Mention smp_cond_acquire() Paul E. McKenney
2016-04-13  7:29   ` [tip:locking/core] locking/Documentation: " tip-bot for Davidlohr Bueso
2016-04-13 12:53   ` [PATCH memory-barriers.txt 7/7] Documentation,barriers: " Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-13 14:17     ` Paul E. McKenney

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